Following up my citation of Jones citing Fechner for the iceberg analogy: Schultz and Scultz's History of Psychology book cites Fechner for the iceberg analogy: http://www-psych.nmsu.edu/~jem/courses/history/s&s13.html
Fechner is also cited at: http://www.cwu.edu/~warren/DHC%20Freud%20Lecture.htm and http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:65Pg3RjJ5AYJ:wc-beta.healthsystem.virginia.edu/internet/psych-training/seminars/history-of-psychiatry-8-04.pdf+Fechner+%2B+iceberg&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=18 Allen Esterson ------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 18 May 2006 17:04:13 -0400 Author: "Mike Donnelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Freud iceberg quote: source > I went to our library today and I browsed every volume of "The Standard > Edition of the Complete Psychological Works of Sigmund Freud" edited by > James Strachey (1966 version). > > I searched every index, and the word "iceberg" never appears. > > I also looked at every Fechner ref (there were lots), found no mention of > icebergs there either. Didn't check Nietshce or Brentano. > > Interestingly, this set has a global index volume, which includes > (drumroll please) an "Index of Analogies" ! Yes, Freud produced so many > analogies that Strachey found it useful to create a seperate index for > them. But alas, no mention of icebergs there either. > > The earliest ref for the iceberg analogy idea that I have been able to > find is an intro Psych textbook (Munn et al (1972) "Basic Psychology"). > They write: > > "The extent of repressed experiences, in Freud's view, prompted him to > describe mental life as analogous to an iceberg." (p.351) > > They reference "Freud (1927" but the info about which Freud 1927 they mean > does not appear in their references section. Freud 1927 would have to be > "The Future of An Illusion" (the one about religion) which has nary a > mention of the structure of the mind. Also, the figure that Munn et al > (1972) looks like the one that appears in Freud 1923, but that volume has > no mention of an iceberg either. > > Stevenson (1974) has a passage that reads a lot like the "quote": > > "To use a familiar but helpful analogy, the mind is like an iceberg, with > only a small proportion of it visible above the surface, but a vast hidden > bulk exerting its influence on the rest" (P.65; "Seven Theories of Human > Nature") > > But Stevenson never attributes this idea to anyone specifically. > > The mystery thickens. If I don't find the source of this "quote" and the > answer to the question "Did Freud actually draw this analogy?" it is going > to drive me nuts. --- To make changes to your subscription go to: http://acsun.frostburg.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=tips&text_mode=0&lang=english
