My first testing class was with Angell (no not that one) at Sac State.

It is probably true that, if two tests differ in nothing but name, there may be 
no reason to argue that they aren't interchangeable. However, even if the 
questions are identical, the populations on which the norms are based will have 
a lot to do with the interpretation. And as I mentioned, in this case, the MFT 
and GRE certainly differ in the way they are written (MFT to spread scores 
across the entire range while GRE questions are pitched to distinguish extreme 
high scorers). They are not just the same test called two different things. 
Even if they were the same items, there would still be a difference in the 
population tested to develop the norms and how that would apply to your 
situation. I don't think you could get useful achievement information for those 
graduating with a BA by comparing them to the subset of people who were 
applying to graduate school. If an appropriate norm was available for the test, 
there is no reason you couldn't use the GRE for this purpose. However, with the 
questions being written as they are, for distinguishing highest performers from 
high performers,  the test wouldn't be very useful in spreading people across 
the continuum of performance in your program.

Rick

Dr. Rick Froman, Chair
Division of Humanities and Social Sciences
John Brown University
Siloam Springs, AR  72761
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From: Dr. Bob Wildblood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:56 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: RE:[tips] Requirements for Intro Psych instructors

Rick Froman wrote:

You could certainly do this although the main purpose of the subject GRE is to 
predict performance in grad school (an aptitude test) instead of measuring how 
much you know about Intro (an achievement test). In fact, the MFT was developed 
to answer the need for outcomes assessment since some programs (I worked for 
one) were starting to use the GRE subject test for outcomes assessment.

Well, honest to all things scientific, I don't want to start anything, and I'm 
only a clinical psychologist who had a minor in measurement theory, but I have 
still to be convinced that just because you call a test an aptitude test and 
another with almost identical content an achievement test, that they are really 
different other than being taken at two different points in time. And believe 
me, having had McCormick and Tiffin and Perloff as some of my professors in my 
minor make and break all of the arguments on both sides, I remain convinced 
that there is no difference.

Bob

Bob Wildblood, PhD, HSPP
Lecturer in Psychology
Indiana University Kokomo
Kokomo, IN  46904-9003
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do not practice, and another which we practice, but seldom preach. -Bertrand 
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The race of men, while sheep in credulity, are wolves for conformity. -Carl Van 
Doren, professor, writer, and critic (1885-1950)

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