I guess I would like to add my perspective to this discussion.  I believe 
that science, whatever else it is, is a way (or ways) to understand the 
natural world.  If humananity is "simply" a part of the natural world then 
science is all we need to understand ourselves and "alternate ways of 
knowing" will not be necessary.

However, if we truely need the supernatural to fully understand human 
beings, then science is not enough.  In other words, if there are parts of 
us that are spirit or some other supernatural stuff, then there are parts of 
us that are not subject, even in principle, to a scientific understanding.  
(This does not mean we cannot study beliefs about the supernatural or 
actions people take because of these beliefs or why these beliefs are so 
common or many other similar questions, scientifically.)

My problem with these alternative approaches are not that they are right or 
wrong.  I have my own beliefs, but I am not so sure about them to claim 
certainty.  My problem with these alternative approaches is their claim to 
an alternate way of SCIENCE.  I believe the claim to science is simply a way 
to gain legitimacy without doing the hard work needed to actually convince 
critical thinkers that the aproaches deserve legitimacy. Their ways may be 
useful and even important, but they are not science.  I would take them more 
seriously if this was admitted and then arguments for their importance were 
addressed.

Jeff Nagelbush
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Ferris State University


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