Hi Not sure that insulin is a good defence of current Pharma practices. Wasn't it developed in a university / hospital setting (Toronto), presumably supported by Canadian and other government funding, by Banting and Best and didn't they give away the patent rights to the public domain? What would have been the cost of insulin to patients if Big Pharma had made the discovery? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca
>>> don allen <dap...@shaw.ca> 22-Jul-11 3:35 AM >>> Hi Carol- My partner is a former Pharma rep so I know that what you say about marketing strategy is often true. However, I think that you also have to appreciate the value of what pharmaceutical products offer for individuals with "real" diseases. The vast majority of pharmaceuticals treat serious illness and make life better, or even possible, for millions of people; think insulin. Before we start throwing stones at Big Pharma maybe we should look at our own house. How many of us know psychologists who have clients who have been "in therapy" for years? Where is the data to show that this type of treatment is beneficial? Depression is a serious illness and while antidepressants may be over prescribed the failure to prescribe antidepressants may lead to a large number of unnecessary deaths. If memory serves (often it doesn't) a Tipster posted a study a number of years ago which showed a graph of antidepressant use Vs. suicide. The curves clearly showed a strong inverse relationship. Yeah, I know, correlation isn't causation. However, I wouldn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. -Don. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carol DeVolder <devoldercar...@gmail.com> Date: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:47 am Subject: Re: [tips] Do antidepressants cause depression? To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" <tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu> > Hi, > > I had a former marketing exec for a drug company visit my pharm > class a > couple of years ago. Her talk was fascinating. She spoke of how > they use two > methods to promote drug purchasing. One is to create a "new" > disorder that > people never knew they had, the other is to take an "old" one > and suggest > that the patient's physician has a new treatment. Either way > they create a > market for the drug. She had plenty more to say, but my memory > is on summer > vacation (an old disorder with which I am quite familiar). > Carol > > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:31 AM, drnanjo <drna...@aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think much of the evidence suggest that these drugs are > being given to > > people whose depression is arguably mild and would clear up on > its own with > > time and/or lifestyle changes. > > > > I understand the drugs DO help the severely depressed. But > there is so much > > money being made, and Americans are so used to the idea of > quick-fix > > strategies that the net for these drugs has been expanded to > the point that > > doctors can't (or don't want to) tell the difference between > dangerous> depression, mild depression and "life's ups and downs." > > > > Very troubling. > > > > Nancy Melucci > > LBCC > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Brandon <paul.bran...@mnsu.edu> > > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) < > > tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu> > > Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2011 7:27 am > > Subject: Re: [tips] Do antidepressants cause depression? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think that the problem is defining 'depression'. > > The results seem to vary depending on how it is defined in > terms of both > > severity and qualia, and thus on how subjects are selected. > > > > Paul Brandon > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology > > Minnesota State University, Mankato > > paul.bran...@mnsu.edu > > > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:24 AM, Beth Benoit wrote: > > > > > > > > This has made it to Google News, so I suspect it's soon going > to be a topic > > of current conversation. The idea that the brains of > people on > > antidepressants may lose their ability to make monoamine > transmitters isn't > > new, but to say that people taking antidepressants may be condemning > > themselves to a lifetime of antidepressant use seems arguable. > > > > > > > http://www.frontiersin.org/evolutionary_psychology/10.3389/fpsyg.2011.00159/abstract> > > I don't know anything about the journal, *Frontiers in > Evolutionary> Psychology,* but I see on their website that they > take advertisements. > > > > The abstract for this article doesn't appear to mention > the possibility > > that people who don't take antidepressants may not be as > severely depressed > > as people who do, though it says they controlled for > covariates. Of course, > > there's also the longstanding argument that people have about > the same rate > > of recovery from depression whether or not they have any kind > of therapy at > > all. > > > > What think you, colleagues? > > > > Beth Benoit > > Granite State College > > Plymouth State University > > New Hampshire > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: paul.bran...@mnsu.edu. > > To unsubscribe click here: > > > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a64900b&n=T&l=tips&o=11517> > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > > or send a blank email to > > leave-11517- > 13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a649...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> > > > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: drna...@aol.com. > > To unsubscribe click here: > > > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=12993.aba36cc3760e0b1c6a655f019a68b878&n=T&l=tips&o=11518> > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > > or send a blank email to > > leave-11518- > 12993.aba36cc3760e0b1c6a655f019a68b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> > > > > > > --- > > > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: devoldercar...@gmail.com. > > > > To unsubscribe click here: > > > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=177920.a45340211ac7929163a0216244443341&n=T&l=tips&o=11521> > > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the > line is broken) > > > > or send a blank email to > > leave-11521- > 177920.a45340211ac7929163a0216244443...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> > > > > > > > > -- > Carol DeVolder, Ph.D. > Professor of Psychology > St. Ambrose University > 518 West Locust Street > Davenport, Iowa 52803 > 563-333-6482 > > This e-mail might be confidential, so please don't share it. > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: dap...@shaw.ca. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13157.966b795bc7f3ccb35e3da08aebe98f18&n=T&l=tips&o=11526or > send a blank email to > leave-11526-13157.966b795bc7f3ccb35e3da08aebe98...@fsulist.frostburg.edu Don Allen Retired professor Langara College --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. 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