Hi

James M. Clark
Professor of Psychology
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>>> "Lilienfeld, Scott O" <slil...@emory.edu> 11-Sep-11 7:36:26 AM >>>
      But more and more, Boulder model programs are discouraging students with 
primary career interests in clinical practice from applying for graduate 
school, largely because dozens and dozens of Psy.D programs are already 
available to do that (and there's no research evidence that Ph.D.s are 
associated with superior therapy outcomes to Psy.D.s).  Also, the costs of 
graduate training at most clinical psychology programs are enormous (e.g., at 
Emory, we fund offer guaranteed funding for 4 years, with full tuition 
remissiion, about a $17,000 a year stipend, coverage of health insurance and 
other fees; and our clinical program is not markedly atypical from other 
clinical Ph.D. programs), and many graduate programs do not want to invest 
>$100,000 and years of research training in a student who will go out and 
perform full-time therapy, especially when there is no evidence (and pretty 
good evidence to the contrary from meta-analyses) that their treatment outcomes 
will be superior to those of B.A. level paraprofessionals (I have decidedly 
mixed feelings about this argument, but take it for what it is).

JC

One potential downside to this division is that it would appear to give up on 
the possibility that in the future psychological practice might have stronger 
scientific foundations that require a deeper understanding of human behavior 
and experience than can be transmitted in an undergraduate degree or even in a 
PsyD (especially as currently constituted).  It is hard to draw complete 
parallels with other professions that do not have PhDs as the top professional 
degree, but MDs do differ from Nurses, Dentists differ from Dental Hygenists, 
and so on.  Psychological practice based on an undergraduate degree would 
appear to place psychology on par with Social Workers and Occupational 
Therapists.  And the shortcomings in the current versions of PsyDs, as alluded 
to by Scott, means perhaps that PsyDs are not a lot better than undergraduate 
degrees (my interpretation, not necessarily Scott's).

Another problem is that we relinquish training of practitioners to institutions 
that are generally less completely scientific than university psychology 
departments and that are probably outright anti-scientific in some cases.  What 
does that augur for the future interface between the Clinical Scientists and 
Practitioners?  To again draw an analogy with Medicine, would the results of 
research in the medical field be less likely to be disseminated and adopted 
widely if the researchers were not trained initially as practitioners?  Indeed, 
it even seems at least unusual to think of, for example, a Prostate Cancer 
research centre that was not headed by a medical practitioner and that did not 
also serve as a primary treatment centre.

Take care
Jim



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