Hi James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca
>>> "Lilienfeld, Scott O" <slil...@emory.edu> 11-Sep-11 7:36:26 AM >>> But more and more, Boulder model programs are discouraging students with primary career interests in clinical practice from applying for graduate school, largely because dozens and dozens of Psy.D programs are already available to do that (and there's no research evidence that Ph.D.s are associated with superior therapy outcomes to Psy.D.s). Also, the costs of graduate training at most clinical psychology programs are enormous (e.g., at Emory, we fund offer guaranteed funding for 4 years, with full tuition remissiion, about a $17,000 a year stipend, coverage of health insurance and other fees; and our clinical program is not markedly atypical from other clinical Ph.D. programs), and many graduate programs do not want to invest >$100,000 and years of research training in a student who will go out and perform full-time therapy, especially when there is no evidence (and pretty good evidence to the contrary from meta-analyses) that their treatment outcomes will be superior to those of B.A. level paraprofessionals (I have decidedly mixed feelings about this argument, but take it for what it is). JC One potential downside to this division is that it would appear to give up on the possibility that in the future psychological practice might have stronger scientific foundations that require a deeper understanding of human behavior and experience than can be transmitted in an undergraduate degree or even in a PsyD (especially as currently constituted). It is hard to draw complete parallels with other professions that do not have PhDs as the top professional degree, but MDs do differ from Nurses, Dentists differ from Dental Hygenists, and so on. Psychological practice based on an undergraduate degree would appear to place psychology on par with Social Workers and Occupational Therapists. And the shortcomings in the current versions of PsyDs, as alluded to by Scott, means perhaps that PsyDs are not a lot better than undergraduate degrees (my interpretation, not necessarily Scott's). Another problem is that we relinquish training of practitioners to institutions that are generally less completely scientific than university psychology departments and that are probably outright anti-scientific in some cases. What does that augur for the future interface between the Clinical Scientists and Practitioners? To again draw an analogy with Medicine, would the results of research in the medical field be less likely to be disseminated and adopted widely if the researchers were not trained initially as practitioners? Indeed, it even seems at least unusual to think of, for example, a Prostate Cancer research centre that was not headed by a medical practitioner and that did not also serve as a primary treatment centre. Take care Jim --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=12584 or send a blank email to leave-12584-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu