I really don't understand the reaction to this simple request concerning 
appropriate terminology regarding sex and gender. It's almost as if no one 
replying on the thread actually read Marte's initial request and the later 
clarification (see included posts below). I am sorry Marte felt the need to 
justify the study described.

First, this is an established line of research. Search gaydar in PsycINFO and 
you will get a number of hits including articles in Science and the Journal of 
Experimental Social Psychology. I am sure there are many other sources that 
don't use this pop terminology. Inferences people make about sexual orientation 
can have relevance to evolutionary psychology and even how gay men and lesbian 
women might identify available partners in a society that encourages 
concealment of their orientation. It could also be related to the study of 
bullying of LGBT youth. What business do they have studying this? They are 
doing science.

Second, investigating a phenomenon in no way validates the phenomenon under 
study. Do those who study racial prejudice have to answer questions about why 
they should study how people develop stereotypes? Are those studying cognitive 
biases subjected to harrassment about the stupidity of cognitive biases? "They 
aren't reasonable so how can they be a valid subject of study?"

Third, to return to the original request, it seems this is a case of inferring 
sex in order to determine sexual orientation. Since the objects of study would 
be trying to infer orientation from behaviors (and schema about how those 
behaviors would match orientation) and not brainscans, it would seem gender 
would also be relevant.

Rick

Dr. Rick Froman, Chair
Division of Humanities and Social Sciences
John Brown University
Siloam Springs, AR  72761
rfro...@jbu.edu
________________________________________
From: Marte Fallshore [mailto:ma...@cwu.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:16 PM
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)
Subject: Re: [tips] gender versus sex

I guess I need to clarify. The study is looking at factors that may impact
one's judgement regarding another's sexual orientation. Of course it is
nobody's business, but many people do it anyway. We also realize this varies by
country (& even region), but the research is US-bound.

The student researcher is interested in understanding factors that may lead to
gay hate crimes so we may better educate people. In this particular section of
her paper, she is explaining why, for those people who want to 'assign' sexual
orientation to others, they must first determine the actual sex/gender of the
couple they are judging. My question is, which word is more accurate in this
discussion. I am certainly NOT condoning people who want/need to know one's
sexuality (having a unisex name and a partner with a unisex name, I actually
work hard NOT to let on what my sexual orientation is to my students just to
keep them on their toes). The fact is, people assign sexual orientation
(rightly or wrongly) and the purpose of this research is understanding and
education. I hope this clarifies why the question. If not, I apologise. Regards,

Marte

>>> "Dr. Bob Wildblood" <drb...@rcn.com<mailto:drb...@rcn.com>> 01/26/12 3:56
>>> PM >>>
You aren't talking about sex or gender, you are talking about sexual
orientation, and whose business is that anyway?

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:35:02 -0800
>From: Marte Fallshore <ma...@cwu.edu<mailto:ma...@cwu.edu>>
>Subject: [tips] gender versus sex
>To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)"
><tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu>>
>

> Some colleagues and I are having a discussion about
> when it is appropriate to use the terms gender and
> sex. The issue is around a paper by a student where
> they are pointing out that in order to determine
> someone's sexual orientation, you need to determine
> their sex/gender. For example, if you see a couple
> holding hands and one is a man and the other is a
> woman, you would probably infer that it is a
> heterosexual couple. On the other hand, if you
> determine that both are men (or both women) you
> would probably infer that they are a homosexual
> couple. The question is, are you determining sex or
> gender? We can't find anything on this issue on the
> APA website, and, of course, the manual simply
> points out that gender is socially constructed and
> sex is biological.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marte
>
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