On Apr 11, 2014, at 10:54 PM, Paul Brandon <[email protected]> wrote: > > The problem is that there haven't been any real world examples of societies > that met the classic definitions of socialism, in which all property is owned > by the State. >
There have been many socialist societies. (And they are as authentically socialist as the US is authentically capitalist, despite roads and bridges being built by government.) I'm not sure which "classic" definitions of socialism your are referring to. In the Marixst model, the state is supposed to be abolished because the only reason for its existence is to oppress workers. (This was later weakened by Lenin to the state "withering away" over time.) The means of production are supposed to be owned by the proletariat collectively, but no one (that I know of) ever said that, say, personal clothing would be owned by the state Chris ....... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 [email protected] http://www.yorku.ca/christo ------------------------------------ > > >> On Apr 11, 2014, at 9:41 PM, Christopher Green wrote: >>> On Apr 11, 2014, at 7:54 PM, Paul Brandon <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Also, while you could refer to the social structure as 'collective' in that >>> it was a small community with a common goal, it lacked one defining feature >>> of socialism: lack of individual ownership. >>> >> >> No socialist society that I know of has ever lacked individual ownership. It >> is restricted, so that wealth does not accumulate in individuals, but it has >> never been lacking. >> >> Chris > > Paul Brandon > Emeritus Professor of Psychology > Minnesota State University, Mankato > [email protected] > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=36098 > > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > > or send a blank email to > leave-36098-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > > > > > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=36105 or send a blank email to leave-36105-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
