Hi,

I think a warning should almost always be the first action, and I think a 
warning was appropriate in this case. I think the IETF should be very 
restrictive with bans, and moderation is only appropriate after continued 
misbehavior.

In most legal systems, a key distinction is whether a person acted with intent 
(planning/premeditation) or in a state of affect (an emotional, impulsive 
reaction). I think IETF mail moderation should use the same principle.

Finally, I support the decision not to remove the emails. Transparency is 
essential, maintaining a full public record allows the community to judge the 
conduct of all parties for themselves.

Cheers,
John Preuß Mattsson

From: Nadim Kobeissi <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, 22 May 2026 at 09:43
To: Deb Cooley <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>; The IESG <[email protected]>; 
[email protected] <[email protected]>; TLS List <[email protected]>; 
stndrds-inacio stndrds-inacio <[email protected]>
Subject: [TLS] Re: Warning and removal of message

If that message only gets a warning, I can scarcely imagine what kind of thing 
one must send to the TLS mailing list to actually receive a ban.

Except, of course, people have had their posts moderated for 30 days for much 
less.

Nadim Kobeissi
Symbolic Software • https://symbolic.software

On 19 May 2026, at 4:37 PM, Deb Cooley <[email protected]> wrote:

This is an official warning to Soatok Dreamseeker per RFC 3934 Section 2 [0], 
regarding the message sent in reply to 
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/YuPYdAeSRJkSkfPZsVxGtbLwAb4/ (also 
sent to the last-call list).  The content of this message is disruptive to both 
the TLS working group progress and IETF Last Call progress.

In addition to this warning, the message will be hidden from the mail archive 
for TLS and last-call.

Deb Cooley
Security AD

[0] https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3934.html#section-2
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