I agree with GW.
I am not trained in counseling, other than some rudimentary things
gained through some life experiences. So when it's clearly a situation
that's beyond my means to know the right words to say, I am better to
remain silent than risk making it worse.

I have chosen to make positive replies to your mails, where appropriate.
And that is the best I can do.
And as I still haven't seen you showing up in the seafood counters at
Safeway, I shall hope for the best! :)

Kim


      Db2:
      ...and the ignorance this list is capable of showing i so
confusing anymore..
      ...Yeah,you idiots that tell me 'Oh ,Dave you are hard to
understand.. OH Dave.. you are
      some mentally crippled person we don't know how to relate to so
it's easier to pretend
      you don't exsist....Sorry Dave..Nin ja Turtles are more important
that people..


                 ~Like I said earlier in a private email -- I'm so sorry
you are having to go
      through this. I know you have lost a lot of important people in
your life. And I know
      that in the face of life- and- death Real Stuff, a lot of what we
all jabber about on
      the lists sounds trivial, inconsequential and superficial. And I
understand how that can
      make someone angry if they're in the midst of a crisis. Sort of
like, "Can anyone even
      freakin' HEAR ME???!!!"

          And the truth is, probably not everyone can....

           I tend to think that most of what we talk about on the lists
is just *fun*; funny,
      entertaining, and light. We also talk about some real stuff--
values and principles, as
      it relates to pop culture, or characters, or our own lives, and we
talk about
      self-expression and creativity-- our own and the creative "pros"
out there.  We also
      talk about nitty gritty real life stuff, too. The truth is, these
lists run the gamut,
      just like real life. Some people feel more comfortable with one
area than the others,
      and that's ok.

          Dave, I know you've said before that some people probably
delete your mssgs, ignore
      you, tell you that you scare them or they don't understand you,
and I know that's true.
      Not everyone can follow you, or would even want to if they could,
to some of the places
      you go. But that's ok. It's ok for people to choose to stay in
their comfort zone-- even
      *wise* - to do so.

         I'm guessing that there are a lot of people who wish they did
know what to say to
      *anyone* who is in pain, in a dark place, or scared. Sometimes we
just don't know. Hell,
      I'm not even sure if *I'm* saying the "right" thing most of the
time, but I'm willing to
      risk sounding like an ass because for me, a little well
-intentioned braying is better
      than stoney silence.

         So here it is-- we're all miles apart , a group of odd friends
brought together
      through an odd affection for some odd fictional characters. We
have a lot more in common
      I think, than even we realize. And even if we don't all
*understand*, if we hang
      together, for ourselves, for each other, for this business of
being human that we *all*
      share, we can get through this dark night, any dark night, and the
morning will come.

                         ~GreenWillow


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