I'd like to suggest that the mailing list page http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html
should be modified so tomcat-users appears before tomcat-dev. 

I suspect many people with usage related questions jump on tomcat-dev to post 
because it's the first list under Tomcat, and "The Tomcat Developer List" sounds 
appropriate. Many people won't bother reading down far enough to see the warning 
about sending configuration and usage questions.

If tomcat-users were the first list under Tomcat, we might see fewer off-topic posts 
on this list. Other projects might benefit from the same rearrangement.

Kief

Patch:

--- mail.old.html       Thu Dec 14 10:35:45 2000
+++ mail.html   Thu Dec 14 10:37:18 2000
@@ -476,6 +476,21 @@
       </td></tr>
       <tr><td>
         <blockquote>
+                                
+                <p>
+<b>The Tomcat User List</b><br />
+<b>Medium Traffic</b>
+<a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Subscribe</a>
+<a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Unsubscribe</a>
+<a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Send mail to list</a>
+<a href="http://mikal.org/interests/java/tomcat/index.html">Tomcat-User Archive</a>
+</p>
+                                
+                <p>
+This is the list where users of Tomcat meet and discuss
+issues. Developers are also expected to be lurking on this list to
+offer support to users of Tomcat.
+</p>
                     
                 <p>
 <b>The Tomcat Developer List</b><br />
@@ -493,21 +508,6 @@
 testing notices, etc. <b>Do not send mail to
 this list with usage questions or configuration problems</b>
 -- that's what tomcat-user is for.
-</p>
-                                
-                <p>
-<b>The Tomcat User List</b><br />
-<b>Medium Traffic</b>
-<a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Subscribe</a>
-<a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Unsubscribe</a>
-<a href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Send mail to list</a>
-<a href="http://mikal.org/interests/java/tomcat/index.html">Tomcat-User Archive</a>
-</p>
-                                
-                <p>
-This is the list where users of Tomcat meet and discuss
-issues. Developers are also expected to be lurking on this list to
-offer support to users of Tomcat.
 </p>
                             </blockquote>
       </td></tr>

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