"Pier P. Fumagalli" wrote:
> Where were you KIDS when we were fighting the big
> corporations to have them looking into open source, to contribute
> significant parts of their technologies to the Foundation, where were you
> while we were changing this world? You were home, and one day, you looked up
> on your browser, saw a thing called Jakarta and started weening if things
> weren't as nice as you wanted them.
Nice. Now as a newcomer who wishes to give back to the community, do you think
that this makes me feel more welcome or less? Why don't you just post a big sign
that says, "If you were not here in the beginning, you are irrelevent. Go Away."
That would probably be a slightly more effective means of keeping new developers
away than simply making fun of them.
> Now, I believe that _I_ deserve some respect, and even if all your comments
> were not directly targeted to me, they hurt as if they were. Jon, you might
> be annoying and obnoxious at times, but those kids don't even care about
> reading what you're writing...
I assume that I fall under that auspise since I also called Jon out directly. And
yes, as I stated in no uncertain terms, many times I do _not_ care about reading
what Jon writes. Many of his posts are so demeaning to whomever they addressed
that it is difficult to read them all the way through, quite literally. It makes
me uncomfortable to see well-meaning people treated like that. And trust me, I
received enough private mail on the subject to assure you that I am far from the
only one. The bottom line is, Jon is currently getting no more and no less than
he gives everyone else.
> hear that people like Paul Frieden (the only person that did put some salt
> in what he said)
Hey, thanks =)
<technical arguments/replies snipped due to my position as a whining, snot-nosed
little kiddie who stumbled across Jakarta a mere six months ago and can therefore
not possibly have anything meaningful to say>
> As one of the people behind the scenes since before each of you got here, I
> believe my vote counts, and now, please prove me wrong.
This post is a better example of my original point than I could possibly dream
up, and it has nothing to do with the technical merits of the architecture. Sam
is right on the money. Do you think that this little scuttle over 3.x vs. 4.x
will be too terribly important six months from now? Probably not. What will be is
the one or two or ten developers who eventually decided to contribute their
limited time and resources to a different OSS project because this one is getting
too contentious for their tastes. There are other great projects out there to get
involved in, and whether or not a project has some fun people to work with, as
opposed to everyone treating each other like shit when they disagree, is
definitely a consideration for most of us.
> Pier
- Chirstopher
