[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >*) Tomcat 3.x vs. Tomcat 4.x. We will be reaching a final decision
> >    about the future of the Tomcat source base and what our process
> >    for managing the factors that created the current situation will
> >    be moving forward. For reference you may want to read:
> >
> >    http://www.x180.net/Mutterings/Apache/rules.html
> >
> >    The Chairman hereby requests that parties from both sides of this
> >    debate be present at this meeting to discuss.
> 
> Given the PMC composition and the opinions expressed so far by some of the
> PMC members and the silence of the others, I'm sure you'll understand
> why I want to stop "beeing a party" of this project in general.

I was silent in the most recent discussion on this list because
I have already expressed my opinions about the issue earlier and 
didn't find the latest debate productive.

> If anyone wants to "debate" with Jon  - good luck, I had
> enough of that already, and I have a feeling that even the subject of the
> debate is wrongly choosen - ( the PMC "reaching final decisions about
> the tomcat source" in 1/4 of an afternoon debate, instead of the project
> commiters ).

The meeting is not a "debate with Jon"; it's a PMC meeting with "open
doors". Jon is only one of seven PMC members, and the meeting will also
be attended by ASF board members. If you have any interest in the future
of
the Jakarta project, I think you should come.

> IMHO behaviors like Jon's should be the subject of the debate - but it
> seems Jon is a PMC member and one of the organizers of the meeting.

I don't always agree with what Jon says, but how he behaves is up to
him and hardly something I want on the agenda for a meeting ;-)
And for the record, it was James that called the meeting.

Hans

> ( in any case, I don't think I'm a "side" of any debate regarding tomcat -
> I just contributed code and time to a project and got flames back )
> 
> Costin

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Hans Bergsten           [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gefion Software         http://www.gefionsoftware.com
Author of JavaServer Pages (O'Reilly), http://TheJSPBook.com

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