I guess that's what we'll have to do. -meg
-----Original Message----- From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:23 AM To: Tomcat Developers List Subject: Re: contrib directory Dear all, I've walked almost the same path with OS/2 on the NetBeans side as Meg with OpenVMS. A new sourceforge project could be a working idea. As then both TomCat and maybe "tomcat-contrib" would be a third-party stuff for NetBeans. So we might convince them to include this into their release (4.1 earliest). Best regards, Leslie Kishalmi Shapira, Yoav wrote: >Hi, >Another option for now is to setup a SourceForge project for this. I'd >be glad to link to it from our docs/FAQs/wiki pages. You (two) could >be its committers, and we could work together to get additional >contributors setup there. > >There has to be a critical mass... > >Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 9:18 AM >>To: Tomcat Developers List >>Subject: RE: contrib directory >> >> >> >>>>why not put it in the NetBeans repository where you're already setup? >>>> >>>> >>I'm only setup to commit to the /core module, which is not where the >>Tomcat files are found. >> >>Actually, we started out in the direction of contributing our Tomcat >>changes to NetBeans, see >>http://www.netbeans.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=49420 >> >>And we contributed patches to NetBeans to start Tomcat on OpenVMS and >>a catalina.com to be placed in the tomcat bin directory that NetBeans >>ships. The NetBeans folks told us they'd prefer we make the launcher >>contributions to Tomcat, since that's where they belong...which is why >> >> >I > > >>opened >>http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31499 >> >>against Tomcat. >> >> >>Meg >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:53 AM >>To: Tomcat Developers List >>Subject: RE: contrib directory >> >> >>Hi, >>That actually gave me an idea: why not put it in the NetBeans >> >> >repository > > >>where you're already setup? >> >>In Apache, there needs to be a long-demonstrated background of >>contributions before getting commit privileges. We have different >>processes in this area than NetBeans and some of the other open-source >>collaborations. >> >>Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com >> >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Garrison, Meg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:03 AM >>>To: Tomcat Developers List >>>Subject: RE: contrib directory >>> >>>Hi Leslie, >>> >>>I'm also willing to maintain the HP OpenVMS scripts. Rather than >>> >>> >>create >> >> >>>a whole new project (tomcat-contrib) maybe it would be possible for >>> >>> >the > > >>>Tomcat folks to grant us commit access to a single module/folder in >>>their CVS library (a contrib folder of some sort). Then they >>>wouldn't have to worry about committing our changes, etc.. If we >>>misbehave and don't follow their rules, then they have the option to "boot us out". >>>That's how the NetBeans project does it. For example, I have commit >>>powers in the core module, which is where the OpenVMS launcher lives, >>>but no other. Our needs for NetBeans (as yours, I'm sure) require >>> >>> >that > > >>>the default Tomcat distribution contain our launcher somewhere...it >>>doesn't have to be in /bin. >>> >>>Any other ideas? >>> >>>Meg >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Leslie Kishalmi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 5:29 PM >>>To: Shapira, Yoav >>>Cc: Tomcat Developers List; Garrison, Meg >>>Subject: Re: contrib directory >>> >>>Dear all, >>> >>> I'm willing to spend some of my limited free time to collect, >>> >>> >>organize >> >> >>>and maintain these contributed code. >>>However, it is very unlikely that I would be ever a committer on this >>>project with my OS/2 launchers. >>>So, as Yoav said, we could find an other committer. Or we could >>>create an other project something like tomcat-contrib where we >>>maintain our code. >>> >>>Best regards, >>>Leslie Kishalmi >>> >>>Shapira, Yoav wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>>Yeah, it's gone for now. The reason is that the maintenance aspect >>>> >>>> >is > > >>>>too hard for the long term. While I don't doubt the quality of you >>>> >>>> >>(or >> >> >>>>anyone else's) work, nothing is perfect. It is inevitable that the >>>>scripts will need work. Even if you stay on top of it and keep >>>>submitting patches, someone will have to keep checking for them and >>>>applying them. >>>> >>>>I'm not interested in doing that work, and other committers >>>> >>>> >apparently > > >>>>aren't interested enough to even comment on what an appropriate >>>>place in CVS might be for these contributions. So I took them out for now. >>>> >>>>That's not to say they're gone forever. I can see a couple of >>>> >>>> >>possible >> >> >>>>solutions, and that's why I'm doing this thread on tomcat-dev as >>>>opposed to just replying to you personally. >>>> >>>>One approach is what I'm doing now: contributed stuff is owned by >>>>authors (like you) who post it wherever they want (hp.com, personal >>>> >>>> >>web >> >> >>>>sites, whatever), and we link to it from our FAQ and/or wiki pages. >>>>This approach solves the long-term maintenance concerns. >>>> >>>>If this was a one-time effort, I would have done it and we'd be all >>>> >>>> >>set >> >> >>>>by now. But it's not, and I just don't have the bandwidth to work >>>>it ;( Another approach is for someone else with commit privileges to >>>>say they're interested and do what they think is appropriate. That >>>>can happen at any time, I wouldn't stand in their way obviously, as >>>>I'm >>>> >>>> >>not >> >> >>>>principally objecting to these contributions. I just don't have the >>>>bandwidth to deal with them at this point. >>>> >>>>So this issue is not dead. It's just not going to be in >>>> >>>> >5.0.30/5.5.4. > > >>>>We might also want to raise it on tomcat-user to see if people have >>>>other creative approaches to solving this. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Are you really going to take the contrib directory out? I was just >>>>>about to make a contribution to you via PayPal as a thank you... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Thank you ;) >>>> >>>>Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business >>>> >>>> >>>communication, and may contain information that is confidential, >>>proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the >>>individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, >>>printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. 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