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http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=33143 ------- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2005-02-07 16:26 ------- I don't see where or why I would admit anything. You claim on #19 that this is not constructive, and on #20 you come back for more. This does not make any sense to me, but here's more anyway :) Why I like commons-logging: - When packaged right, it works ok - A huge amount of people are now using its API, therefore enabling unified container wide logging configuration - Logging integration for people who embed Tomcat (as my company is doing) I do not care at all about discovery or whatever as long as it works well enough, and I did not look at the implementation details inside commons-logging either. I would have less contempt for log4j if, for example, it had implemented the java.util.logging API as a layer on top of its own API (and shipped the said layer in its official JAR, of course). I don't think anybody would get hurt by this, and this would be a productive first step towards unification. It would remove the need for commons-logging in the next Tomcat version. We would use java.util.logging, and, most likely, would be shipping a minimal log4j JAR with only a rotatable file logger (obviously, nothing can be decided at this point, and it's merely an idea). So you would get more users, while our default logging setup would be better. BTW, I don't see anything wrong with having "contempt of a fellow Apache project". The amount of ASF folks who have written than Tomcat sucked in one way or the other is absolutely staggering ;) Besides, the amount of Apache code is now so huge, with some prjects more or less competing with each other, that I don't see how I could love all of them. And, in log4j, I only actually dislike the log4j API here. -- Configure bugmail: http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
