Thanks Scott, Like I said, Irene's solution does not work when one wants to put stuff in as subclasses of several different classes. I tried narrowing done the place at which I did the import and none of it worked, though it always worked in Thing, at least until I got lots of stuff in it.
I have 12gigs of Ram and I allocated more of it to TBC as was suggested a while ago. In fact I have the appropriate number well over 2048..And it still bogs down. Should I give it some more? For clarification, I know how to import spreadsheets. However, without setting the sheets up correctly in advance everything comes in as an instance where I want everything to come in as a class. This, though difficult in TBC, can be done easily by arranging the spreadsheet correctly. With instances, the properties of the individuals are easily imported . One can import info such that classes have the properties, but that is goofy because "Every man is a mammal" is dfiferent for "The Class man is a mammal" What I want to express is The class Man is a subclass of the restriction on the property "has genus" to some value of Mammal. I don't see how this can be done automatically with TBC. Basically I have spreadsheets with class names in the first column and features of the members of the class in the other columns. So I want to connect the class to the properties of the members of the class. There is a Spraql means of getting this done, but It would take several steps for each property. I would not be using Sparql to manipulate class definitons in terms of restrictions on poperties, as one cannot get that from a spreadsheet imported into TBC. I would have to find all of the triples that assert that a class has a property, construct a triple for each such that the class is now a subclass or an equivalent class of a restriction on a property, insert the new triple and delete the old triple. I have devised a work around that was working, all I had to do was click a button, select all, copy and paste.... and now it is not working. Trust me the source code is correct. Best, Leonard, PS. No best practices for removing and re-installing TBC? Shoud I just find and delete everything manually? On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Scott Henninger <[email protected] > wrote: > Leonard; The recipe you gave stated that you placed the RDF/XML > definition into the Source Code sub-tab for owl:Thing. At least > that's how I read it. That would replace the definition for owl:Thing > and could explain both the behavior you describe and the problems with > TBC. > > Irene is correct that where you did the editing matters. If you were > to create a class named Blood_Sugar_ExHigh, it should work as you > expect, provided the syntax is correct. > > Excel spreadsheet importing is fully supported by TopBraid, including > restrictions. See Help > Import and Export > Import external > information > Import Spreadsheets. Restrictions are represented as RDF > triples and can therefore be manipulated in SPARQL. > > Without benefit of a data store back-end, TopBraid uses an in-memory > triple store. Text serializations are brought into memory by > default. You can increase the amount of memory TBC has access to. > See http://www.topquadrant.com/products/TBS_FAQ.html#TBC6. > > For data back-ends, see Help > Advanced Topics > Working with RDF > Databases. You can use any of these back-ends and still use the > Source Code tab. Performance will be improved greatly as it will be > cached instead of having the entire data in memory. > > -- Scott > > On Mar 28, 3:50 pm, Leonard Jacuzzo <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Scott, > > I am not trying to add one model to another. > > > > I am trying to convert massive spreadsheets to OWL in an interesting > way.. > > The TBC import function does not allow one to define classes as > equivalent > > to restrictions on properties etc. > > > > BTW: this method, the one I have been using, has worked. > > > > Refactoring does not work..for what I am doing. I have a mechanical means > of > > generating RDF/XML from excel. This results in a text file that I was > > pasting with felicity into TBC...now suddenly I cannot. That is strange. > > The info goes in, but gets mangled in the process.. > > > > I could use turtle.. maybe that would work, but I was happy with how > things > > were working. The Sparql motion method takes many more steps... can you > add > > this functionality or maybe get it to work all of the time, since it does > > work some of the time? > > > > As far as can tell I am not trying to replace "Thing" with the new list > of > > definitons...there are hundreds of them BTW. There is no code displayed > in > > the source code field of "Thing" and even so, "thing" does not disappear. > > Like I said this has worked in the past. > > > > I would rather uninstall all of TBC including the workbench etc and > > reinstall it. I tried the new folder route once already. > > I am using the latest version of TBC for Win7 64. I checked for updates > > yesterday and found none. > > > > But all of my instances of TBC start getting ganky when I build a decent > > model. For example, it stops responding when I right click on tabs in the > > form view... it hangs up, then the tab opens so quickly I cannot see it, > > when I right click again I get the same issue. > > > > Is there a limit to how much one can express in TBC before it stops being > > able to handle it? This happens mostly when I get over 500 classes with > > restrictions on properties and dijoint axioms...and it happens on win7 > both > > versions. > > Anyway, thanks for the help. I guess I will try to forget about those > sweet > > days when I could paste 400 classes with restrictions and all directly > into > > TBC and do it the hard way. > > If there is a mechanism by which I can completely uninstall TBC, I would > > like to know of it. > > Best, > > Leonard > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Scott Henninger < > [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > Leonard, first, to answer the question on whether this use case is a > > > supported, the answer is "no". TopBraid Suite, including TopBraid > > > Composer has a number of mechanisms for importing and including > > > existing RDF/RDFS/OWL constructs. In particular, if your scenario is > > > to move a definition from one model to another, I'd direct your > > > attention to Help > How to? > Refactor ontologies. > > > > > Holger also mentions using SPARQLMotion to import files and snippets > > > into your model. The is a very flexible > > > power tool that will support moving data from one model to another. > > > > > If you wish to work with "source code", i.e. a text serialization > > > format, I'd suggest using the Turtle syntax, which is more human- > > > readable and editable, and has better performance characteristics when > > > loading the text serialization. You can open a file in its text > > > serialization by right-clicking on a file in the Navigator viewer and > > > choosing Open With… > Text Editor. > > > > > Insofar as editing the Source Code sub-tab is concerned, it appears > > > you are attempting to replace the definition of owl:Thing with a class > > > definition. This would give the behavior you describe. Note that the > > > interface will only show the definitions the interface is able to > > > process correctly. If you need to see all of your data, either use > > > the Triples View (Window > Show View > Triples) or view the triples in > > > the SPARQL View (to get all triples, apply this query: SELECT * WHERE > > > {?s ?p ?o}). > > > > > For re-installing TBC, just unzip the download into a different > > > directory on your machine and run the executable from that directory > > > (i.e. there is no need to delete old versions). In terms of system > > > stability, make sure you don't edit any files in the TopBraid folder > > > in the workspace. If you let us know what the startup errors are, > > > we'd be happy to look into it (also let us know what version of TBC is > > > used and the OS it is installed on). > > > > > -- Scott > > > > > On Mar 28, 2:21 pm, Leonard Jacuzzo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Holger, > > > > I have two questions. First, I would like to completely uninstall and > > > > reinstall TBC on my machine. What is the best means of doing this. > > > Everytime > > > > I try it, there is some piece left over. For example, I still have > the > > > same > > > > workbench etc. I would like to completely reinstall TBC because it > has > > > been > > > > ganky for a while and now show errors on start up. > > > > > > The second question is the same as last night. I tried to paste on > the > > > > machine at work and had the same problems as at home. Here is my > detailed > > > > explanation. > > > > > > I start off with a file that contains the class for which I would > like to > > > > make a subclass. The code for that class is > > > > > > <owl:Class rdf:ID="Blood_Sugar_InSpec"> > > > > > > <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="#Blood_Sugar_Reading"/> > > > > > > </owl:Class> > > > > > > Then I create a long text file with hundreds strings that resemble > this: > > > > > > <owl:Class rdf:ID="Blood_Sugar_ExHigh" > " > > > > <rdfs:subClassOf rdf:resource="#Blood_Sugar_InSpec"/> > > > > <rdfs:subClassOf> > > > > <owl:Class> > > > > <owl:intersectionOf rdf:parseType="Collection"> > > > > <owl:Restriction> > > > > <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#Has_SL"/> > > > > <owl:someValuesFrom> > > > > <rdfs:Datatype> > > > > <owl:onDatatype rdf:resource=" > > >http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#float"/> > > > > <owl:withRestrictions rdf:parseType="Collection"> > > > > <rdf:Description> > > > > <xsd:minInclusive rdf:datatype=" > > >http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#float"; > > > > >0.0898</xsd:minInclusive> > > > > </rdf:Description> > > > > </owl:withRestrictions> > > > > </rdfs:Datatype> > > > > </owl:someValuesFrom> > > > > </owl:Restriction> > > > > <rdfs:Datatype> > > > > <owl:onDatatype rdf:resource=" > > >http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#float"/> > > > > <owl:withRestrictions rdf:parseType="Collection"> > > > > <rdf:Description> > > > > <xsd:maxExclusive rdf:datatype=" > > >http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#float"; > > > > >0.097</xsd:maxExclusive> > > > > </rdf:Description> > > > > </owl:withRestrictions> > > > > </rdfs:Datatype> > > > > </owl:intersectionOf> > > > > </owl:Class> > > > > </rdfs:subClassOf> > > > > </owl:Class> > > > > > > When I paste this string into the source code view for "thing" I end > up > > > with > > > > this: > > > > > > <owl:Class rdf:ID="Blood_Sugar_ExHigh"> > > > > > > <rdfs:subClassOf> > > > > > > <owl:Class> > > > > > > <owl:intersectionOf rdf:parseType="Collection"> > > > > > > <owl:Restriction> > > > > > > <owl:someValuesFrom> > > > > > > <rdfs:Datatype> > > > > > > <owl:withRestrictions rdf:parseType="Collection"> > > > > > > <rdf:Description> > > > > > > <xsd:minInclusive rdf:datatype=" > http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#float"; > > > > > > >0.2014</xsd:minInclusive> > > > > > > </rdf:Description> > > > > > > </owl:withRestrictions> > > > > > > <owl:onDatatype rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#float > "/> > > > > > > </rdfs:Datatype> > > > > > > </owl:someValuesFrom> > > > > > > <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="#Has_CT"/> > > > > > > </owl:Restriction> > > > > > > <rdfs:Datatype> > > > > > > <owl:withRestrictions rdf:parseType="Collection"> > > > > > > <rdf:Description> > > > > > > <xsd:maxExclusive rdf:datatype=" > http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#float"; > > > > > > >0.211</xsd:maxExclusive> > > > > > > As you can see, the class that I inserted is no longer declared to be > a > > > > subclass of the class which I encoded as subclass. It gets stuck as a > > > > subclass of "thing" > > > > > > If I save this file in TBC, it erases all of the previous classes and > > > will > > > > only save the new "non-subclass" info. > > > > > > I just tried to accomplish the paste at work and it no longer works. > > > Which > > > > is strange because it worked on Friday. > > > > > > Here is a question. Is the method that I am attempting supposed to > work > > > as I > > > > intend it to work? Can one paste source code for an ontology into the > > > source > > > > code field for "THING"? It was working like a charm and now does not. > > > > However, it is a super convenient means of adding a ton of stuff to > an > > > > ontology. I would love to continue as I was. > > > > > > I hope that I have given you enough information. (I have to make up > stuff > > > to > > > > show you as I can't show you the real deal) > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Leonard > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Holger Knublauch < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > On Mar 28, 2011, at 9:00 AM, Leonard Jacuzzo wrote: > > > > > > I will attempt to supply more information on the pasting problem > as I > > > > > find this most convenient. > > > > > > > > What sorts of information would you like? > > > > > > > A minimal, reproducible test scenario would be needed, e.g. start > with > > > file > > > > > A that has a couple of classes, then try to add file B and show me > > > where > > > > > data gets lost. 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