its an area where URIs are not "opaque" - because when dereferencing a server never sees the # or trailing fragments after that.
If you use a # in your URI you are saying that architecturally a client must always load the entire namespace when referencing a single term - which is appropriate for models but not instance data usually. clients need the ability to choose how many instances they are dealing with, and some other mechanism should be provided to access lists of instances. Arguably TBC should fully simulate HTTP dereferencing - and be willing to match with or without trailing # ? On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 19:38, Holger Knublauch <hol...@topquadrant.com> wrote: > Using # or not does/can impact how further owl:imports are understood. So > if shacl# had an owl:import and you just import without the # then the > owl:import would not be picked up because it's a different owl:Ontology. > > This is one of these never-ending topics where the semantic web stack is > unfortunately too complex and almost everybody gets this wrong. > > Holger > > > On 17/01/2019 6:32 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users > wrote: > > > > Ok > > > > Is there any special reason why the ‘importing with #’ is different from > usual (without #, # only in prefix)? > > > > > > > > > > Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Böhms > Senior Data Scientist > > T +31888663107 > M +31630381220 > E michel.bo...@tno.nl > > Location > <https://www.google.com/maps/place/TNO+-+Locatie+Delft+-+Stieltjesweg/@52.000788,4.3745183,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c5b58c52869997:0x56681566be3b8c88!8m2!3d52.000788!4d4.376707> > > > > <http://www.tno.nl/> > > This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you > are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you > are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. TNO accepts no > liability for the content of this e-mail, for the manner in which you use > it and for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent to the > electronic transmission of messages. > > > > > > > > > > *From:* topbraid-users@googlegroups.com <topbraid-users@googlegroups.com> > <topbraid-users@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of *Holger Knublauch > *Sent:* donderdag 17 januari 2019 09:30 > *To:* topbraid-users@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import? > > > > Only importing will add the triples from that namespace. Simply using the > URIs does not. > > > > Holger > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 17 Jan 2019, at 18:26, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users < > topbraid-users@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Ok > > But when it is deref. that way… why still need to import it (at all)? > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Böhms > Senior Data Scientist > > > T +31888663107 > M +31630381220 > E michel.bo...@tno.nl > > Location > <https://www.google.com/maps/place/TNO+-+Locatie+Delft+-+Stieltjesweg/@52.000788,4.3745183,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c5b58c52869997:0x56681566be3b8c88!8m2!3d52.000788!4d4.376707> > > > > <image001.gif> <http://www.tno.nl/> > > This message may contain information that is not intended for you. If you > are not the addressee or if this message was sent to you by mistake, you > are requested to inform the sender and delete the message. TNO accepts no > liability for the content of this e-mail, for the manner in which you use > it and for damage of any kind resulting from the risks inherent to the > electronic transmission of messages. > > > > > > > > > > *From:* topbraid-users@googlegroups.com <topbraid-users@googlegroups.com> *On > Behalf Of *Holger Knublauch > *Sent:* donderdag 17 januari 2019 00:05 > *To:* topbraid-users@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [topbraid-users] shacl import? > > > > The correct URI to import is http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl# > <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> (including the #) and this should be > dereferenceable. In TopBraid, this will redirect to the local copy in the > TopBraid/SHACL/shacl.ttl file. > > Holger > > > > On 16/01/2019 10:34 pm, 'Bohms, H.M. (Michel)' via TopBraid Suite Users > wrote: > > > > Can someone help me remember: > > > > Do I need > > <https://w3id.org/example1> <https://w3id.org/example1> > > rdf:type owl:Ontology ; > > owl:imports dct: ; > > owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core> > <http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core> ; > > owl:imports <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> <http://www.w3.org/ns/shacl> . > > > > or is it dereferenceable > > > > thx a lot, Michel > > > > > > > > Dr. ir. H.M. (Michel) Böhms > Senior Data Scientist > > > > T +31888663107 > M +31630381220 > E michel.bo...@tno.nl > > Location > <https://www.google.com/maps/place/TNO+-+Locatie+Delft+-+Stieltjesweg/@52.000788,4.3745183,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c5b58c52869997:0x56681566be3b8c88!8m2!3d52.000788!4d4.376707> > > > > <image001.gif> <http://www.tno.nl/> > > This message may contain information that is not intended for you. 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