On 8/9/2011 5:44 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:
On 8/8/2011 8:16 AM, Jimmy Richardson wrote:
On 8/8/2011 5:03 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 10:41:50AM +0800, Jimmy Richardson wrote:
Google AppEngine provides a platform which can be used to run your own
proxy servers for free, Gtalk supports XMPP which can also be used to
circumvent censorship.
Google actively cooperates with US authorities regardless of user's
geography, so using Google's infrastructure for anonymity is an
oxymoron.
I agree, but again, we were talking about anti-censorship, not
anonymity. Frankly people in China or Iran has much more to fear from
their own government than from US authorities.
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Jimmy, though you have some valid points, I think you missed my point
entirely (possibly some other posters').
Actually I do see your point, as I have said, we have different
assumptions regarding how censor would react to anti-censorship
activities, let's just agree to disagree here. But even under your
assumption, I don't see the reason to bash Google here. True, Google
could sell you out to governments, but so could any company (for example
your ISP). The difference between Google and your average company is: a.
Google actually made a stand against censorship, and suffered the
retaliation; b. Google is providing computation resources for free. If
you want privacy/anonymity, you just need to code encryption routines
for the proxy you run on Google's AppEngine, it's no different from the
suggestion to run Tor over Telex. And for the free service they provided
against censorship, we should be thanking Google (and Telex if it gets
built). As far as I can see, Tor is already losing against the censors,
I think Tor should welcome some help in fighting against them.
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