-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the notice. The German Heise publisher provides good information to IT-related topics, but in German. I tried my Google-translate-link just before, and it worked via Tor, perhaps you could switch the exit? Anyway, here ist the original link: http://www.heise.de/ct/heft/2013-20--2248651.html
Best regards Anton - -- no.thing_to-hide at cryptopathie dot eu 0x30C3CDF0, RSA 2048, 24 Mar 2014 0FF8 A811 8857 1B7E 195B 649E CC26 E1A5 30C3 CDF0 Bitmessage (no metadata): BM-2cXixKZaqzJmTfz6ojiyLzmKg2JbzDnApC On 06/07/14 17:31, Joe Btfsplk wrote: > To "no.thing_to-hide" - the link you provided is inaccessible for > me. It gives a message: "This page was not retrieved from its > original location over a secure connection." Not sure if there's a > way around it, or maybe provide the original page & let people > translate it themselves? On 7/4/2014 4:56 PM, > no.thing_to-h...@cryptopathie.eu wrote: I fully agree with Joe! > > Running an exit can get you in serious legal trouble, because Tor > /and all other anonymity services/ will always be misused for > illegal activities. Every interested operator must make his > personal moral trade-off and come to a decision. Sartre described > such a discussion in a more extreme scenario in "Les mains sales" > (= Dirty hands) > > Anyway, I decided not to run an exit but only an internal relay. > And to join German CCC and Zwiebelfreunde (Hello to the colleagues > by the way!). We operate really big relays, secured by professional > admins. Much better than I could setup at home as hobbyist w/o > IT-education. So you are an association and the legal risk and > potential lawyer costs are distributed. > > Even the simple use of Tor is not w/o risk for everyday use: > https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.heise.de/ct/heft/2013-20--2248651.html%3Fview%3Dprint > > > > I think one should have at least some basic knowledge about what > the Internet, SSL certificates, browsers, scripting and plugins are > and how they work. > > Best regards > > Anton -- no.thing_to-hide at cryptopathie dot eu 0x30C3CDF0, RSA > 2048, 24 Mar 2014 0FF8 A811 8857 1B7E 195B 649E CC26 E1A5 30C3 > CDF0 Bitmessage (no metadata): > BM-2cXixKZaqzJmTfz6ojiyLzmKg2JbzDnApC > > > > On 04/07/14 22:56, Joe Btfsplk wrote: >>>> On 7/3/2014 2:23 PM, C B wrote: >>>>> "I agree that collecting stories about "why/how I use Tor" >>>>> is useful, but I disagree that any special education or >>>>> warning should be needed before setting up an exit node. >>>>> Setting up an exit node is simply providing another IP that >>>>> can be used for traffic and nothing else." >>>>> >>>> Holy... "they may not have a clue what danger lies ahead," >>>> Batman. We're going to have to agree to disagree, that at >>>> least some basic info on potential dangers be supplied, if >>>> only links. We've all seen several people conversing on >>>> tor-talk now, that were run through the ringer, for running >>>> Tor relays. >>>> >>>> I don't think any of them thought they'd be fighting for >>>> their freedom; spending a huge part of savings to defend >>>> themselves or going through extended, true mental anguish of >>>> wondering if they'd lose their freedom & family. >>>> >>>> Maybe Tor Project itself isn't the one that should be doing >>>> the educating in this case - dunno. Though I don't like the >>>> thought of people going through hell on Earth, because they >>>> didn't understand the dangers, I also understand it's not in >>>> Tor Project's best interest to scare off relay operators. >>>> >>>> One issue is, every Tor user is encouraged to run a relay. >>>> Kind of like the US Army commercials promoting adventure & >>>> visiting foreign lands, instead of bullets & grenades coming >>>> at you. >>>> >>>> Moritz, I'm not sure if the 1st FAQ at the link >>>> https://www.torproject.org/eff/tor-legal-faq.html.en portrays >>>> an accurate picture of potential dangers: >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Has anyone ever been sued or prosecuted for running Tor?" >>>> *>"No*, we aren't aware of anyone being sued or prosecuted in >>>> the United States just for running a Tor relay. Further, we >>>> believe that running a Tor relay --- including an exit relay >>>> that allows people to anonymously send and >receive traffic >>>> --- is legal under U.S. law." >>>> >>>> That may need a bit of revision. :D Maybe no one has been >>>> prosecuted in the US (I don't know), but people in other >>>> countries sure have. And being investigated or going through >>>> court hearings & trials - maybe for months or yrs, can >>>> destroy a person. It can be devastating, even if you're never >>>> formally charged. >>>> >>>> Many people who've never gone through something like that >>>> can't fully understand the incredible stress of being >>>> investigated & threatened. >>>> >>>> The concept of, "No one's been *prosecuted* in the US, >>>> therefore running Tor relays has no potentially serious legal >>>> ramifications," is glossing over the dangers. >>>> >>>> Running a relay may not be *the* most dangerous activity, but >>>> it sure carries significant risk. Many that get tor-talk >>>> regularly have read that. But some potential relay operators >>>> might not read tor-talk every day for months, to read about >>>> someone that got in serious legal trouble, before they decide >>>> to / not to run a relay. >>>> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTuXE9AAoJEMwm4aUww83wumoIAJh3QzsvjaUbDf44Df10E5CT 09mpoHilSrOTtEx6Ape/JEuB3ZjlBh6RKqOgeIuzk39gKR0RHekQE42B2oLyB4im ospL/HDDlcF8lmjJsf2DR2RZCUHNoAffotWQqJD5oq1x+RwT/Egb4ZGxzx+O1iBZ FG0D2bkeBfEWSbpsKVIqktzT6LxOoJ4AU+yV6wms47e9Rv5MnlFjjd+xdIGvJfGB IkTVzEuPtupJa/Sbx7An7cSZ/4C1MwjY7VTzbfo4DEhVF6KhDrcDftzvgJOj3BN3 knZXzMCZGuiemrupFRUhFSxkVBTU6O+bzuaM/ZvyDfoddKIBvvnt2jpJgKwyLuQ= =E0IF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- tor-talk mailing list - tor-talk@lists.torproject.org To unsubscribe or change other settings go to https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk