[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kai Gro�johann):

> Does it help to frob backup-by-copying and friends to work around
> this problem?

unfortunately not.  in this case, ie. with backup-by-copying set `t'
and tramp in place of ange-ftp, i don't get asked for a password at
all (surely because i have it in a ~/.netrc), but saving the edited
file fails.  here's the backtrace, which still contains bytecode.
just load-library "files.el" didn't help any (i wonder why).

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument number-or-marker-p nil)
  logand(nil 1023)
  backup-buffer-copy("[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/index.html" 
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]:!index.html.~2~" nil)
  byte-code("�W       �W��\n�\"W�W��\f!�V�W
�'��a�\f!
�H�8��S��S�8X�S�8�S�\f!?)�a�\f\n#��n�\f�#�\nBƇ" 
[file-precious-flag backup-by-copying modes backup-by-copying-when-linked 
real-file-name backup-by-copying-when-mismatch 0 logand 3072 file-nlinks 1 
file-attributes 2 9 file-ownership-preserved-p backup-buffer-copy rename-file t 
backup-by-copying-when-privileged-mismatch attr backupname setmodes] 4)
  byte-code("�       �=�   �=�   ����\n\"!�!��͏�� 
�:�:��Ϗ�A��.*�" [targets delete-old-versions real-file-name buffer-file-name 
modes buffer-backed-up t nil y-or-n-p format "Delete excess backup versions of %s? " 
file-modes (byte-code "�W  �W��\n�\"W�W��\f!�V�W
�'��a�\f!
�H�8��S��S�8X�S�8�S�\f!?)�a�\f\n#��n�\f�#�\nBƇ" 
[file-precious-flag backup-by-copying modes backup-by-copying-when-linked 
real-file-name backup-by-copying-when-mismatch 0 logand 3072 file-nlinks 1 
file-attributes 2 9 file-ownership-preserved-p backup-buffer-copy rename-file t 
backup-by-copying-when-privileged-mismatch attr backupname setmodes] 4) ((file-error 
...)) (byte-code "�@!�" [targets delete-file] 2) ((file-error)) setmodes] 5)
  backup-buffer()
  basic-save-buffer-2()
  basic-save-buffer-1()
  basic-save-buffer()
  save-buffer(1)
  call-interactively(save-buffer)

saving-by-copying has been double-checked!

  clemens


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