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Great to know there is at least one other fellow Aussie on this list - I only just said to my husband yesterday that there may be only a couple of TROMers in the whole of Australia (as there seems to be so few in the WHOLE of the world) - but now we know there are at least 3 Aussies - Yay! We live down on the Murray River border in Albury (we were half an hours drive from one of the Black Saturday fires), Pru & Rob From: Rudolf EDER Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 12:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [TROM1] New to List ************* The following message is relayed to you by [email protected] ************ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello I am Rudi As it is i was one of Dennis-es Students on the HPA course he was supervising back in 1962-3 HASI Sydney. I now live in Townsville Australia and am about to start "doing " Trom. Anyone on the list reside anywhere near,? Am glad i Joined Love Rudi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, 20 March, 2009 8:48:29 AM Subject: Trom Digest, Vol 56, Issue 3 Send Trom mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trom digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Right to end a Game (Pru Joy) 2. Re: Right to end a Game (Pete McLaughlin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 07:37:01 +1100 From: "Pru Joy" <[email protected]> Subject: [TROM1] Right to end a Game To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I was just reading this: If you want to stop any game you are engaged in you only have to adopt the complementary postulate to the one being held by your opponent, and the game promptly ends. He too, of course, can end it by adopting the complementary postulate to yours. You cannot force any being into a game who insists upon adopting complementary postulates to your own. And it reminded me of a very aggravating situation I was in about 10 days ago. The CofS had been ringing us persistently for the past 18 months to buy the whole new Basics Book package. We had told them over & over again that we were definitely NOT going to buy the whole package in one go & that we would buy one book at a time in our own time & interest. BUT they just kept ignoring our reality & pushing it on us, averaging about 3 calls per week in that whole time! There was no way I was going to adopt the CofS's complementary postulate which would have been "to must know" (purchase the whole package NOW!). I kept repeating my SD postulate of "mustn't be known". So finally I said "that's it - enough is enough - I choose not to play this game (& that if you wish me to hold even a tiny piece of esteem for the CofS you shall respect my right to do so). And they have not rung since (my husband says they are just biding their time & will start up again as soon as they think we have cooled off enough - ha ha!). Sooooo .... having a closer TROM look at this result I think my opponent (CofS caller) decided to adopt a complementary postulate of "must be known" to my own SD of "must not know" - so am I right to say that he was "overwhelmed" & had to drop his own SD??? Fascinating fun, Pru p.s. still haven't even started Level 5 - been suffering a bit physically, & thus also mentally!, from the record-breaking extreme heat of our Aussie Summer. But as it is starting to cool down now I am getting back into it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20090320/835c866c/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:45:38 -0700 From: "Pete McLaughlin" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Right to end a Game To: "The Resolution of Mind list" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Pru Joy Nice to hear from you again. I have been hearing of the terrible fires burning down there. This is like the ones we get in the hills around Los Angeles when the summer gets hot after several wet years have built up the underbrush. Hope these have not affected you. I see two possible reasons why the CoS gave up from the words you have written. One is the one you note that the caller was overwhelmed and gave up. The second is contained in the phrase you stated "I choose not to play this game" if you actually ceased to create the counter postulate to the CoS postulate the game ceased to exist. They could yell "buy buy buy" all they wanted but got no answering response from you - no opposing postulate- which is a "no games" condition. It is the equivalent of finding that your phone number was disconnected. They call but no one answers. Which sounds right to you? I find it hard to put in a session each day or even regularly because of all the demands on my time. But I have all the Dennis audio mp3 on a player that I can listen to while commuting. Also, I watch for the games that come up in life and try to fit them into the pattern that Dennis presented in the theory. So, even if I can't so the therapy I am studying the theory and making it practical daily. It is apparent from your email that you are doing this to and that is very good. Keep on Tromming -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on Behalf Of Pru Joy Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 1:37 PM To: The Resolution of Mind list Subject: [TROM1] Right to end a Game Hi, I was just reading this: If you want to stop any game you are engaged in you only have to adopt the complementary postulate to the one being held by your opponent, and the game promptly ends. He too, of course, can end it by adopting the complementary postulate to yours. You cannot force any being into a game who insists upon adopting complementary postulates to your own. And it reminded me of a very aggravating situation I was in about 10 days ago. The CofS had been ringing us persistently for the past 18 months to buy the whole new Basics Book package. We had told them over & over again that we were definitely NOT going to buy the whole package in one go & that we would buy one book at a time in our own time & interest. BUT they just kept ignoring our reality & pushing it on us, averaging about 3 calls per week in that whole time! There was no way I was going to adopt the CofS's complementary postulate which would have been "to must know" (purchase the whole package NOW!). I kept repeating my SD postulate of "mustn't be known". So finally I said "that's it - enough is enough - I choose not to play this game (& that if you wish me to hold even a tiny piece of esteem for the CofS you shall respect my right to do so). And they have not rung since (my husband says they are just biding their time & will start up again as soon as they think we have cooled off enough - ha ha!). Sooooo .... having a closer TROM look at this result I think my opponent (CofS caller) decided to adopt a complementary postulate of "must be known" to my own SD of "must not know" - so am I right to say that he was "overwhelmed" & had to drop his own SD??? Fascinating fun, Pru p.s. still haven't even started Level 5 - been suffering a bit physically, & thus also mentally!, from the record-breaking extreme heat of our Aussie Summer. But as it is starting to cool down now I am getting back into it. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20090319/92d1b50f/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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