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Hi Max
A basic principle of TROM is that we are a spiritual beings. In the beginning
we had no compulsions or inhibitions like the inhibition to doing an activity
for a long time. Therefor your difficulty at doing the RI for extended periods
is only that you have inhibitions which are postulates that "it is hard" or you
"cannot do it" in your mind . This is exactly what TROM addresses. You can
overcome this by persisting at RI until the inhibition goes away.
CCH's in the church of scientology were done to overcome this exact problem.
They would be run for many hours ( 20 or 40 hours) until the PC was completely
comfortable sitting their while the auditor said Give me that hand. Thankyou
and took the PC's hand then put it back in his lap. Imagine doing that for 40
hours. That would be eight hour sessions five days in a row.
The solution then would be to persist at doing RI until these feelings
dissipate and you can do RI for any length of time you want to do it. If you
feel that is to hard you can have a Scientologist run CCH's on you for 40 hours
or so till you can simply be there receiving the auditing.
It should help just knowing that the feelings you have against persisting are
what you are trying to find and eliminate. They are the "change" you are
looking for and the way to get them to turn off is to continue doing the
process you are doing.
what to create on RI.
You are creating "importances" which means thing that are important to you or
things you would like to have. This can be physical things like automobiles or
people you would like to have around you or emotions you would like to have or
attitudes you would like to see (love, admiration, respect etc.). anything and
in any size and at any rate you wish to do it.
RI is an exercise in your creativity so you should create what you want at the
pace you want to do it to achieve the result you want to achieve. If you do it
so someone elses standard it would not be entirely your creation.
It's hard to do.
if you wanted to run a marathon of 26 miles you would have to do a lot of
training. it would be very hard building your body up to the level of
endurance where you could run a marathon and have some chance of finishing
first.
TROM is hard. It is hard to understand the theory and hard to do the practice
but if you persist you will get the goals of
a. recognizing when some one is offering you the winning or loosing role in
their games and be able to say "no thanks"
b. recognition of the mind throwing a past conflict at you while you are trying
to handle a present time situation.(You have to give a speech and get stage
fright. Just time break out the feeling and do the speech. It only takes a few
minutes)
c. Periods when you are entirely at peace with being who you are and where you
are, a taste of Nirvanna.
d. A general rise in tone level where you see the world as a brighter happier
place.
e. better personal relationships where you can laugh at the little things you
used to get very upset about.
The gains from TROM come as you do the processes and will help you persist in
doing the processes.
Hope this helps
Keep on TROMing
Pete
P.S. write an email telling us a little about yourself and what brought you to
TROM and I will remove the "moderate" from your emails allowing you to post
directly to the list.
sincerely
Pete
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> From: "max-cz...@seznam.cz" <max-cz...@seznam.cz>
>To: trom@lists.newciv.org
>Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2011 8:25 PM
>Subject: [TROM1] Questions about practice
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>Hello, my name is Max.
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>I've been practicing TROM for a few months already and faced some problems.
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>I ask gone-far-enough TROMmers (those who successfully started Level 5 I
>suppose, so their words will not be just mental speculations) to please answer
>my questions.
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>The only questions I have are about practice. Because practice doesn’t go as
>smooth as it is written in the book.
>
>I have been doing and still do RI only, so when I say „do TROM“ it means „do
>RI“ actually. So I am still doing The Test (I know there are changes, so RI
>works for me. But changes haven’t seized yet).
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>So, the questions.
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>1). Why I can do RI only a little amount of time in a row? I mean, I tried to
>do sessions (like intentionally dedicated time to TROM) but managed to
>practice it for a few minutes only (even less). After this little time it gets
>hard to do RI commands.
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>For perceptive RI it gets harder and harder to pay my attention to “…feeling
>its solidity, temperature, texture etc., …”. In a few minutes time (even less)
>I almost can’t pay my attention to those feelings.
>For creative RI commands it gets harder to [grasp the idea that I am creating
>these objects] or [grasp the idea that another creates those objects].
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>Did you experience anything like that? I mean, anything like “a limited
>quantity of RI that could be done in a certain period of time”? Or you could
>do RI for 3 hours in a row and for whole 3 hours it was done with same
>easyness?
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>In conclusion I will repeat the main question. Why I can do RI only a little
>amount of time in a row?
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>2.1). How many creations per minute do you perform? Is it 60 or 10 or maybe
>180 like a machine gun?
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>2.2.). How often do you switch from first RI command (“Bring something into
>existence”) to the second RI command (“Have another bring something into
>existence”) and back? I mean, you do it a few seconds each command or you do
>it a few hours each command before switching?
>
>2.3). A question about the process of RI itself. For example, I want to create
>a car. Is it better to create a car of giant size (like a big building)
>instead of a car of normal size (5x3x2 meters) or it doesn’t matter? I ask
>because D.H.S. wrote “Quality of creation is far secondary to quantity of
>creation; abundance is of the essence”.
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>2.4). How to create, but not perceive creations? When you create them, you
>have to perceive them, haven’t you?
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>2.5). D.H.S. writes: “If all games are fun, and no game is reasonable, and if
>resolving the mind is a reasonable activity, then it is not a game, but that
>does not prevent it from being fun”.
>But I don’t feel fun at all. In fact, I have to force myself to do exercises.
>I don’t like to do sessions, in fact, I asked a guy to force me into doing
>them regularly.
>Why is that so? Do you feel inner resistance towards doing exercises?
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>Please if you answer questions, do it under same numbers. And if you think
>some of my questions are not essential, please let me know (like “question
>number 5.12 is not essential – you shouldn’t even think in these terms”).
>That’s a big feedback as well.
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>Thank you for time spent,
>Max
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>P.S.: Please give whatever advices you can give, not matter how relevant they
>are to my letter.
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>P.P.S.: I feel really frustrated, because I have time to do TROM – many hours
>a day, but merely do not manage to do it whole that time. Only a few minutes
>in a row.
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>I feel especially desperate when I reread this: “I offer you a route out.
>There may well be other routes out; if there are I know not of them after many
>lifetimes of searching. The fortuitous combination of games matrix and
>circumstances that permitted me to discover this route at this time may not
>ever happen to me again; and others too could easily overlook it. So don’t
>lose this data, for it may be many lifetimes before you come across it again -
>if you ever do”
>What if I will not be quick enough to succeed during this life? Don’t you feel
>the same?
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