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Hi Pete,
Sorry for the delay in getting this answer back. I wanted to be sure
I covered what was necessary and that my answer was complete and yet
brief.
I would not advise using the meter to run a TimeBreaking session to
see what reads or what is a bigger item. The reasons are, verifying
a read, handling a false read, mid-session ruds, Green Sheet and C/S
53 repairs may need to be done, unless one is an experienced
(hundreds of hours) Class VI auditor and can run all of the repair
lists, one is asking for trouble with no way out.
I will say that one can use a meter at the beginning of TimeBreaking
or RI to get a reference and then again at the end of TimeBreaking
and RI to get an idea of how much negative & positive mind phenomena
one has handled. And then one needs to know how to handle high TA
and false TA and whether or not the TA is false or truly high. But
then what is the point. How much TA drop is enough or sufficient,
there is no gauge for that. Regardless of what the TA and the needle
show at the end of TimeBreaking, how can that be quantified. There
are no standards. One's gut feel at the end of TimeBreaking is just
as good as 'the meter shows an improvement'. All that can be said is
that one's outlook and emotion has improved but one should know that
anyway. It's quite easy for one to know if they are happy, sad,
angry or depressed without a meter.
Attention on the meter during TimeBreaking when attention should be
on your mind and what you are thinking can also be a distraction and
cause no gain to be produced as well as leave one in a bad mood.
In a more recent post you mentioned that you determined that an
objective RI was more effective by use of the meter. This is a valid
conclusion and as such a very good application in determining which
RI process is best for you. But I suggest, that one needs to learn
how to assess how they feel without any external tests. In the long
run, one's assessment of how things went and how well things are is
going to be the ultimate assessment. How many times will one
invalidate or question the meter later on and ruin all of one's gains
and achievements when one could also just say, I felt really good
after that session.
I don't want to totally rule out using the meter but one needs to
eventually get past using it at all. That is a much better state of
things than needing a meter. It can be used as an indicator to a
slight degree but one has to cultivate their ability to know rather
than be told. Being told holds the least truth for one. One has to
know and tell himself the truth. Only then has one seen truth that
one can count on and not waiver on in the future. We have all been
there before.
As a seasoned Class VI myself with hundreds of hours of auditing, I
never used my meter for RI or TimeBreaking. I'm also Solo trained
and with that noticed that I was creating the physical reality and
would know things before the meter duplicated what I already knew to
be a fact and true. That was a major accomplishment and win for me
and it became one of the reasons for leaving Scn for I had
transcended meter auditing. At that point I knew beyond what a meter
or an auditor could assess about me and tell me. After all, I was
the one creating and doing it. I can at any time produce a meter
read at will. I have demonstrated that for myself and then
demonstrated it for others to see. Especially in meter training
classes. So beyond all of Scn I knew and can know at will and this
is a given for all. I'm sure you can imagine what that meant for me
and how I then looked at any kind of 'someone telling me' what I was
doing in the physical universe. This may possibly give you an idea
as to why I do transcendental meditation now.
I'm exploring and discovering more and more how I operate in the
physical universe and expanding those capabilities. We, one and all
have that adventure in store for us. There is a whole new world
beyond TROM awaiting all.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
Hi Paul
Here are two quotes from the TROM manual.
"I ran step two absolutely flat and achieved much more case gain
--- serenity, enormous mental calmness. (I can become completely
and utterly calm at a moment's notice). At this point, I abandoned
the use of the meter, because my own sense of what was happening in
my mind was equal to what the E-meter could tell me. I would know
before the meter gave it's read, look at it, realize what the read
was, spot it, and the read would go off the meter."
The Skin Galvanometer
"If you possess such a device, and know how to use it, then it can
assist you to determine when an exercise is no longer producing
change. The meter no longer registers significant change.
However, the device is by no means essential, for a being is
entirely capable of relying upon his own estimation of change.
Even if you do use a skin-galvanometer you will soon outstrip its
usefulness, and will find it registering no change even though your
senses clearly tell you that change is occurring. Thus, in the
final instance, you are thrown back upon your own perception of
these things.
However, if you do use a skin-galvanometer to help you early on,
then abide by what it tells you. If you know how to use it, the
device will not let you down. Early on, the device is more
sensitive than your perception; later, your perception is more
sensitive than the device."
Sincerely
Pete
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On Mar 17, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Paul Tipon <pti...@proftitleserv.com>
wrote:
Hi Pete,
Comments below.
On Mar 17, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
Hi Paul
What I am trying to determine is in a single auditing session
should I expect that RI when run to no more change will end in a
normal TA and FN?
That is not a given for there is no auditor with the purpose to
get a reading item and take it to TA blow down and F/N. It
certainly can happen tough. But if you don't get it, don't
worry. There is no one there to go earlier similar or has a
withhold been missed. Don't try this on your own because you have
no way to test for earlier similars or W/H's you could wind
yourself up into a higher TA and a stuck needle.
If this is correct then in my solo session I should run RI to TA
3.0 and FN before starting the level I am working on.
With TROM it is not a necessity to get yourself in session for you
are not giving commands and looking for reads and doing a standard
auditing proceedure. Just stick with the TimeBreaking.
In the little Scientology auditing I did the practice was to run
rudes to FN followed by the next action ordered by the C/S.
Again, this is for the auditor to be able to know that the PC is
in session and metering can occur. After a TimeBreaking session
you can use a meter to check the TA and needle action but
TimeBreaking is not metered action.
Since Dennis says that if the PC has a meter he can run level 2
and 3 on the meter and abide by what it shows it would be good to
put up some information on the list showing what a meter will
indicate as RI and Timebreak are done in session.
If you can point me to where Dennis says that, I will review it.
I am Solo trained too but don't recall this information from
Dennis. I have a meter but didn't use it at all on any of the
Levels.
Sincerely
Pete
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On Mar 17, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Paul Tipon
<pti...@proftitleserv.com> wrote:
Hi Pete,
Answer below.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
On Mar 17, 2014, at 7:56 AM, Pete Mclaughlin wrote:
Hi Paul
Is the effect of a complete session of RI that the TA will be
at normal for the sex of the individual. That the person will
be exterior and ready to do the next session action?
That is not a given. It is possible but not to be counted on.
The reason being that RI does not address the mind and it's
compulsions directly but it does free up one's free will which
can be an over-riding action to the mind but it does not
directly handle a compulsive action item of the mind. So a
compulsive action of the mind still has the opportunity to come
into play in the future under the right conditions. Ri can be a
remedy to a recurring compulsion but it will not undo that
compulsion permanently.
Yes, RI can be a changer but is not a permanent fix. The
permanent fix is Levels 2, 3 and 4.
Sincerely
Pete
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 16, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Paul Tipon
<pti...@proftitleserv.com> wrote:
Hi Richard and All,
My answer comes from experience as a Class VI Auditor.
On Mar 16, 2014, at 10:50 AM, rronde...@comcast.net wrote:
My name is Richard and I have been doing Trom for quite a
while. In my experience starting off with RI's always creates
a rising tone arm up to the point of a blowdown. I've assumed
the starvation for mass has been satisfied at that point. But
the tone arm is frequently still out of range so I use a
reach and withdraw or various rubbing to handle the residual
mass buildup. The end result is always an F/N at around
2.6-3.0 tone arm. I always start the chart with an in range TA.
Will someone explain to me why the rubbings of either the
body or objects so dramatically drops the tone arm?
First of all, high TA is an indication of no confront. This
is an indication of being interiorized. Things that can lead
to interiorization are overts , withholds. basically fear,
anger, etc. High TA is a physical phenomenon. In auditing,
it is difficult to audit over a high TA. The reason being
that one has interiorized and is not there, not in session
with his body. So an auditor giving a session has to get the
PC reading on the meter or results will be very hard to come
by. The reason is that the PC is not able to produce good
meter readings because of the high TA.
High TA being a physical thing means that the PC's body is not
closely in tune with what the PC is doing and not only are
reads very hard to come by but in most cases cannot even be
seen with a meter. Because of this, not only are reads hard
to come by if at all but any kind of needle movement has to be
suspect as if may or may not be a reaction to the auditing
question.
So what happens when the TA is brought down with rubbing,
touching, hand cream, etc. just brings the PC's body more in
tune with the consciousness, the soul, the spirit, the
Thetan. Now if you are using the meter to meter what the mind
and the Thetan, consciousness are doing, it can be seen on the
needle movement.
I would say that somewhere between Levels 2, 3 and 4 of TROM,
the TA (chronic wise) should be in the 3.0 range for males and
2.0 range for females. Meaning that no particular actions are
necessary to bring the TA down for the PC has now eliminated
those reasons in the mind to back away and withhold.
Also bringing the TA down before doing RI or any TROM action
is not a necessity nor does it do any enhancing of TROM
actions. It is purely a physical body thing that is necessary
for reliable readings on a meter for an auditor to assess what
the PC is doing with the auditing question. TROM is not
audited action.
Keep on TROMmoing, Paul
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