It was my understanding that Jews, or Hebrews,or whatever you want to call this group, are referred to as "the circumcism" by Paul. That began with Abraham. Abraham was told he would be the father of a great nation. The fact that later branches of Abraham's descendants may have been called "Israelites" (after Jacob, c alled Israel), or "Jews" (from Judah), would seem to have no bearing on the fact that they all descended from Abraham, bore the circumcism, and thus were part of the covenant God made with Abraham.

Perry

From: "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:44:16 -0600

You understand correctly. All I was doing was pointing out the fallacy of common Jewish thought.

-- slade


----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 28 March, 2003 07:06 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Post Bible Revelation


Somebody 'splain something to me. I thought that Judah was the first Jew. Wasn't Abe a Chaldean, later referred to as a Hebrew? I didn't even figure Abe could be an Israelite, since that term started with a guy named Israel, and Abe was a couple of generations prior to him. Seems to me that calling Abe a Jew would make about as much sense as calling him an Isaacite, but then, I am usually wrong about those things. Someone who knows please explain all this.
Inquiring minds want to know.
Terry
Moshe was, well, from the tribe of Levi. I won't argue with you there... even though nearly every Jewish commentary says the Sons of Yisrael during the Exodus (and Moshe himself) were all "Jews." It's quite silly, actually. (In fact, Avraham was the first "Jew," did ya no?)


It becomes problematic when we use "Jew" as a generic term for the "Sons of Yisrael."

-- slade

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DAVEH: Wouldn't you think that God can pick a servant of his choice to be a prophet, whether he be Jewish or not? Did not the Lord think it OK to reveal himself to Moses and Paul, both non-Jewish prophets.


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