----- Original Message -----
Sent: March 18, 2004 11:08
Subject: [TruthTalk] POLYANI AND THE HOLY
SPIRIT
Ah Judy, -- Judy, judy,
judy.
You would do good to read some philosophy: you
take
some huge leaps in your reasoning.
jt: Not my reasoning Bill, the Word
of God is what divides and a
doubleminded man is unstable in all
his ways. It's impossible to be
eating from the wrong tree and ATST
be in Christ. When the root is
wrong the fruit is also the wrong
kind.
Polanyi was also a Christian, unless Jesus really
didn't get the
dividing wall knocked down. Talk to those you
knew him. Go to
Mars Hill and purchase the interview.
jt: A lot of ppl think they are
Christian. I would be more convinced
if he turned from vain speculations
and philosophy because all the
treasures of wisdom and life we
need are in Christ. Since he has
kind of a cult following now how is
he different from other cult leaders?
Your mother is still alive, right? Maybe you
should talk to her
(read love her). That would be to honor her.
jt: I do talk to her, love her, and
honor her Bill; what would make you
think that I dont?
Have you learned nothing from her of eternal
value? Doesn't she love
you?
jt: She sent me to Christian
Endeavor and Sunday School when I
was a child but even a child has
some spiritual discernment and I
picked up early on that ppl in my
household were giving lip service
only. She loves me in her own
way.
Let Jesus be her judge. Don't send her to hell,
just because she's
old and tired. Maybe there's time to
repent.
jt: I'm not sending her anywhere
and Jesus is her judge with or w/out
my approval; my Bible Study group
have her on their prayer list but
it does not appear to hopeful even
though I do not want to tie God's
hands. Last time I asked if
she had peace with God (she's 981/2)
she told me she didn't want to talk
about religion and that nobody
had come back to tell the tale. She
would not accept the resurrection
as a valid return from the dead.
Too much liberalism, philosophy and
unbelief surrounding
her.
Maybe there's time for your mother to repent
too.
jt: I sure do hope so
...
Back to Polanyi, How much Polanyi have you read?
jt: Not much - what have you read
that would lead you to believe he
knows the Lord? Did he make a
public profession of faith and turn
from his former ways?
Who are you to send him to hell? Get a life,
Judy. Quit wallowing in
the gooze. Bill
jt: Have no idea what you mean by
'gooze' the word is not in my
vocabulary... nor am I sending
Polyani anywhere; he made his
choice prior to 1976 and
is spending eternity with the one he
served. judyt
[TruthTalk] POLYANI AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
Lance. Thank you. Finally some clarity.
What is the problem with admiring another's
contribution?
jt: Contribution to what?
Philosophy, art, myth, and religion? What does this have
to do with life and truth?
The man did not know Jesus and he was not led by the
Holy Spirit.
Guaranteed.
I don't get it. Were certain ones among us born
under a rock (read pebble)?
Were they not influenced by someone, anyone
along the way, maybe a mother or
a dad? And what if ma and pa have passed away,
are they not part of the history
from which sons and daughters draw when
determining right from wrong and good
from evil?
jt: It all depends; if they were
not believers then we inherited generational iniquity and
vain conversation from
them for which we need to repent and be
delivered from in
Christ. Polyani would be in
this category.
Were they not authorities as well, right along
with the God and Scripture?
jt: God and His Word tell us to
honor our parents, even unbelieving parents but
once we come to the light we do
not follow their example which would lead us back
into darkness.
Is there any among us who confuses dear ol' mom
with the Holy Ghost?
It seems to me that that distinction is a
tougher one to draw than the one many
times removed between a deceased Chemist and
little old me living in the Twenty
First century. That is, if we are aware of the
Chemist's contribution and not just
gulping up his gooze without discernment.
Bill
jt: Why elevate the writings of a deceased
Chemist? the Holy Spirit always
points to Jesus. Polyani was Jewish and he
did not. Where had discernment
gone?
judyt
From Deepsight.org articles on the internet:
By far, the most extensive discussion of religion
in Polanyi's writing comes in his final book Meaning, written,
as his health declined, with the help of the American philosopher Harry
Prosch. In this book, Polanyi tries to extend his epistemological model to
describe the nature of human knowledge found in art,
myth and religion. It is the kinship between metaphor, symbol, and ritual
that interests Polanyi and he uses his theory of tacit knowing to
describe this relationship and show the differences between ordinary
perceptual and conceptual knowledge and that found in
the class of special artefacts available in art and religion; he argues for
the importance of human meaning in art, myth and religion in the
contemporary world.
While theologians and religious thinkers were
among the first to appreciate Polanyi's philosophical
ideas, it is also the case that Polanyi's late writing in which he tried more directly to discuss religion and religious
knowledge has generated much scholarly debate. Although it is not
possible to provide details here, it is fair to say that the discussion has
focused in two related areas: Some scholars have asked if the perspective
outlined in Meaning indeed fits with the mature philosophical outlook
of Personal Knowledge and The Tacit Dimension. The second
issue is concerned with discerning what Polanyi intended
to affirm regarding the metaphysical status of religious and artistic
realities. These issues were debated in meetings of the Polanyi Society in the early eighties; the discussion
of both issues was the topic of articles in a special issue of Zygon: The
Journal of Religion and Science (17:1[1982]; see especially the articles
by Gelwick and Prosch) devoted to Polanyi. Intermittently, the discussion
has continued in articles and reviews found in the issues of Tradition
and Discovery: The Polanyi Society Periodical published since the
Zygon issue (see the reference below to the Polanyi Society home page
where there is a listing of authors and article
titles).
