Izzy: I believe you to be approx 100% correctamundo on this point. David/Judy (interesting combo) espouse an understanding that, though they understand to be 'biblical', comes from a sort of 'perversion', held by many. It inflicts pain on wounded people in God's name. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: June 09, 2004 10:31 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy?
> David, As one who spent too many years in the "name it and claim it" > movement, I thought all I had to do was "trust Jesus" for an answer to any > prayer. That is what I mean by Jesus not always being one we can trust in > to answer prayer. In Larry Crabb's book, "Inside Out", he said that he > remembers praying for his brother's safe trip just a short time before he > was killed when his airliner crashed in Denver. This brought a great crisis > of faith for him. Haven't we all experienced a crisis of faith when such > disasters enter into our lives? > > Even if my husband had "mistreated" his wife (which we all may be guilty of > being selfish or insensitive at one time or another during a marriage), > which sin would you expect God to judge more severely--that or adultery, > giving you a child during your marriage only to tell you later that you are > not the father, kidnapping for two years, and lying about "abuse" in court > for years to justify what was done? Perhaps you cannot understand grasping > for meaning when you see evil prosper against you because you have never > experienced it so severely. I fear for you that the Lord may want to give > you further understanding in this area--God forbid! And this is a small > thing, I am sure, compared to the trials that many others have suffered. > Our only hope and confidence is that these trials are at least redemptive in > that they teach us to submit to God even when He appears to make no > sense--then and only then can we learn what REAL trust is. > > Izzy > > PS I don't know about Job, but I wouldn't consider it a huge blessing to > have all of my family killed so that I could get a new one later on. I've > never understood that one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:54 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Trustworthy? > > Izzy wrote: > > Bill, In my experience Jesus has not always been > > entirely someone I can trust in every sense of the > > word. Sometimes He is quite beyond any possibility > > of my understanding, let alone "trusting" Him. ... > > Job trusted, but was shocked by what happened to him. > > We have ALL been disappointed when we trusted the Lord, > > at one time or another. ... His Word is trustworthy. > > But often His answering of prayers is not. I believe > > we will someday understand why. > > Izzy, I appreciate such a brutally honest post, but my heart is really > saddened to read it. Jesus is always able to be trusted. Always. > > I cannot relate to your statement that we have ALL been disappointed > when we trusted the Lord. I do not remember anytime when Jesus has > broken my trust. Not once has he ever done that. In regards to Job, if > he was shocked it was because he did not realize that bad things > happened to good people. Nevertheless, Job repented of his lack of > trusting God to deliver him from his calamity, and in the end he > received greater blessings than he had before. And more importantly, > despite whatever happened to him, he never stopped trusting that God > himself was righteous and holy. In all his calamity, Job never sinned > by cursing God or saying anything like, "God is not trustworthy." > > There is a law of sowing and reaping in this world that must be > recognized. If a man mistreats his wife, he will suffer marital > problems. He can't say that he is trusting Jesus to fix his marital > problems when he has mistreated his wife. If he has suffered in this, > it is because he has stepped outside the doctrine of Christ in his > relationship to his wife. David committed adultery, but that did not > stop the judgment that came because of it, even after he repented. If > we experience the chastisement of the Lord, we should not come to the > conclusion that the Lord is not to be trusted. Rather, we need to > examine ourselves and see where we have departed from the doctrine and > admonition of the Lord. Please re-examine your perspective in this > area. I am very concerned and fear for you. Your perspective is not > one that would allow you to benefit from the chastisement of the Lord. > Rather, your perspective is one that leads to being confused by the rod > of correction, to hating this rod, and eventually to rebellion of the > heart. Please reconsider. > > Also, consider that there is a spiritual war going on. Jesus promised > us tribulation and persecution. We can't trust Jesus to keep us FROM > the tribulation, because that would be contrary to his teaching and > promises, but we can trust Jesus to strengthen us and to deliver us in > the end. We also can trust Jesus to judge those through whom that > persecution comes. > > Peace be with you. > David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know > how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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