Re: [TruthTalk] Christians and violence

[Lance Muir]

I'm off to a 90 minute visit to the beloved dentist. Why? I didn't take adequate care. Nothing complicated there.  ----- Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 23, 2004 09:38 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and violence Again, Lance, you often seem to be confused by simplicity.  Why do you find comfort in foggy, fuzzy, vague, ideas only to be affronted by real, direct answers? Izzy   From Life’s Little Instruction Book,  #1559 “Remember that all important truths are simple.”    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 7:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians and violence   Just once will someone help Judyt understand ambiguity. You, and perhaps Terry, want for someone to say: "here's the answer, here's the verse(s), this is what you are to think" Neither Scripture nor life can be reduced to this sort of formulaic thinking (in my opinion, of course). ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 23, 2004 08:59 Subject: [TruthTalk] Christians and violence   Right about what Lance? Right to be a pacifist or right to attempt to assassinate Hitler?   What about the words of Pastor Martin Niemoller who wrote: In Germany they first came for the communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me - and by that time noone was left to speak up. From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dietrich Bonhoeffer was, by conviction, a pacifist. After a great deal of inner turmoil, he decided to participate in an attempted assassination of Hitler. It failed. He was arrested. He was hanged a few days prior to the end of the war. I believe Bonhoeffer was right.----       From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Good morning family: > Let me start by saying that there are things I know to do and when I do > them God is pleased. > There are things I think that I should do because I think God would be > pleased. > There are things I dare not do because I know it would not please God. > This is called fundamentalist by some.  Others call it  legalism. I call > it denying self and following Him. > Whatever it is called, it works well when you have the answers.  It even > works fairly well when you think you have the answers.  The big problem > comes when you have a desire to live a life pleasing to the Lord, but > you are not certain how to do it.  He plainly says "I hate divorce".  He > commands us not to steal. or covet. or commit adultery.  No gray areas. > Easy to follow instructions.  Do what He says.  Don't do what He hates.. > > Then we go to war! > >   Bill reopened this can of worms for me a couple of days back.  Judy > responded to it.  Both made some points, some good points, yet I was > left wondering, as I have been for a long time, as to just what God > expects of His people in time of war.  Jesus and Peter and Paul all > dealt with military men . A couple of centurions and a prison guard as I > remember.  None of them were told to give up their careers as a > condition of salvation, so it would seem that there is a place for > Christians in the military.  Still, I cannot picture Jesus leading a > bayonet charge.  He said,"Love your enemy-do good to those who hate > you-turn the other cheek. > > Somehow, this all has to fit together or it makes no sense. > Your thoughts please, with verses if possible. > I would appreciate hearing, even if, like me, you don't have the answer. > > Terry > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.     ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.