Re: [TruthTalk] Christians and violence

[Wm. Taylor]

From Life’s Little Instruction Book,  #1559 “Remember that all important truths are simple.”    If that is so, Izzy, why must their be 1559 instructions preceding them?   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 7:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians and violence   Just once will someone help Judyt understand ambiguity. You, and perhaps Terry, want for someone to say: "here's the answer, here's the verse(s), this is what you are to think" Neither Scripture nor life can be reduced to this sort of formulaic thinking (in my opinion, of course). ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 23, 2004 08:59 Subject: [TruthTalk] Christians and violence   Right about what Lance? Right to be a pacifist or right to attempt to assassinate Hitler?   What about the words of Pastor Martin Niemoller who wrote: In Germany they first came for the communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me - and by that time noone was left to speak up. From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dietrich Bonhoeffer was, by conviction, a pacifist. After a great deal of inner turmoil, he decided to participate in an attempted assassination of Hitler. It failed. He was arrested. He was hanged a few days prior to the end of the war. I believe Bonhoeffer was right.----       From: "Terry Clifton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Good morning family: > Let me start by saying that there are things I know to do and when I do > them God is pleased. > There are things I think that I should do because I think God would be > pleased. > There are things I dare not do because I know it would not please God. > This is called fundamentalist by some.  Others call it  legalism. I call > it denying self and following Him. > Whatever it is called, it works well when you have the answers.  It even > works fairly well when you think you have the answers.  The big problem > comes when you have a desire to live a life pleasing to the Lord, but > you are not certain how to do it.  He plainly says "I hate divorce".  He > commands us not to steal. or covet. or commit adultery.  No gray areas. > Easy to follow instructions.  Do what He says.  Don't do what He hates.. > > Then we go to war! > >   Bill reopened this can of worms for me a couple of days back.  Judy > responded to it.  Both made some points, some good points, yet I was > left wondering, as I have been for a long time, as to just what God > expects of His people in time of war.  Jesus and Peter and Paul all > dealt with military men . A couple of centurions and a prison guard as I > remember.  None of them were told to give up their careers as a > condition of salvation, so it would seem that there is a place for > Christians in the military.  Still, I cannot picture Jesus leading a > bayonet charge.  He said,"Love your enemy-do good to those who hate > you-turn the other cheek. > > Somehow, this all has to fit together or it makes no sense. > Your thoughts please, with verses if possible. > I would appreciate hearing, even if, like me, you don't have the answer. > > Terry > > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.     ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org   If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.