Chris, Chris, Chris:That dog won't hunt! Russia
ain't in the Bible either. If you want to 'play' with Scripture then, enjoy
yourself.
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Subject: [TruthTalk] America in the
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There are no references to America in the
Bible.
Hmmm ...
EZEKIEL 38 speaks first of all of the Russian Bear. It also speaks of
others in alliance with the Russian Bear.
Verse 8 shows the context of
time, "After many days ... in the latter years". This speaks of a future time
from that of Ezekiel that has yet to be fulfilled. Are these times "the latter
years"? Does this speak of OUR TIME?
Verse 8 also shows the Russian
Bear with its alliances coming to a particular land. This land is "brought
back from the sword". This land is "gathered out of many people". This land is
identified as "the mountains of Israel which have been ALWAYS waste but it is
brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them".
Is this land of Israel the same as that of Palestine?
In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its
alliances, "Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say DESCEND
as south into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in north to
??????
Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt
be like a cloud to cover the land" as in an aerial transport of an
overwhelming army, or perhaps a hail of missiles, or possibly even a literal
"mushroom cloud"!
Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its
alliances, "... thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee".
Is
there another "Israel" than that land commonly identified as Israel that is
also a most hated and despised nation?
Is verse 11 an even clearer continuation that Ezekiel 38 could NOT be about
Israel in the land of Palestine?
Verse 11 says to/of the Russian Bear
with its alliances, "... thou shalt say, 'I will GO UP' ..." as in north. It
does not say GO DOWN to Israel as in Palestine.
Verse 11 reveals the
thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... to the land of unwalled villages ...". The
land of Israel in Palestine today is a land of VILLAGES that are WALLED.
Verse 11 reveals further the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... I will
go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without
walls ...". The land of Israel in Palestine today is a land of VILLAGES that
are on constant and heightened alert and that do NOT "dwell safely", neither
can it be said of those that dwell in Palestine that they are "of them
dwelling without walls ..."!
Verse 12 reveals the purpose and desire
of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "To take a spoil". Once again, take
note of Israel in Palestine today, its land and the condition thereof. What
"spoil" would be taken from there?
Verse 12 reveals yet again the
identity of where the attack is to be upon, "... to turn thine hand UPON
THE DESOLATE PLACES ..." - - at the time that Ezekiel is writing - - "... that
are now inhabited ..." - - as to the future date according to the earlier
portion Ezekiel wrote in this chapter of "the latter days".
Verse 12 further reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear, "...
to have gotten CATTLE and GOODS that DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THE LAND". Does
this apply to Israel in the land of Israel in Palestine?
Has Ezekiel 38 been generally misinterpreted? Review again this chapter
beginning with verse 9 as noted above.
In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances,
"Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say DESCEND as south
into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in north ... over the polar
ice cap with its SHORTER and more PROTECTED from radar route to America as
Israel EXTENDED!
Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its
alliances, "... thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land" as in an aerial
transport of an overwhelming army, or perhaps a hail of missiles ... or
possibly even a literal "mushroom cloud"!
Verse 9 says to/of the
Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou, and all thy bands, and many people
with thee".
America as Israel EXTENDED is a most hated and despised
nation. She is taken advantage of, not truly loved, nor is she respected. Many
(?most?) will join with the Russian Bear against America as Israel EXTENDED.
Is verse 11 an even clearer continuation that Ezekiel 38 is about
America as Israel EXTENDED?
Verse 11 says to/of the Russian Bear with
its alliances, "... thou shalt say, 'I will GO UP' ..." as in north over the
polar ice cap with its SHORTER and more PROTECTED from radar route to America
as Israel EXTENDED! It does not say GO DOWN as in south to Israel as in
Palestine.
Verse 11 reveals the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... to
the land of unwalled villages ...". Does this not more definitively speak to
America as Israel EXTENDED?!? It CANNOT refer to Israel in Palestine since
VILLAGES there are WALLED.
Verse 11 reveals further the thoughts of
the Russian Bear, "... I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely,
all of them dwelling without walls ...". Does this not more definitively speak
again to AMERICA as Israel EXTENDED?!? Once again, it CANNOT refer to Israel
in Palestine as VILLAGES there are on constant and heightened alert, do NOT
"dwell safely", neither can it be said of those that dwell in Palestine that
they are "of them dwelling without walls ..."!
Verse 12 reveals the
purpose and desire of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "To take a spoil".
Does this not more definitively speak yet again to America as Israel EXTENDED!
Once again, it CANNOT refer to Israel in Palestine. There is no "spoil" to be
profited from there.
Verse 12 reveals yet once again the identity of
where the attack is to be upon, "... to turn thine hand UPON THE DESOLATE
PLACES ..." - - at the time that Ezekiel is writing - - "... that are now
inhabited ..." - - as to the future date according to the earlier portion
Ezekiel wrote in this chapter of "the latter days". Does this not more
definitively speak yet once again to America as Israel EXTENDED mixed with
"... the people that are gathered out of the nations ..."!
Verse 12
further reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear, "... to have
gotten CATTLE and GOODS that DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THE LAND". The Russian Bear
covets (and has ALWAYS coveted) the "CATTLE and GOODS that DWELL IN THE MIDST
OF" **America**. Does not this Scripture address the geographical area of the
Russian Bear as the instrument of judgment of YahVeh against the sin
centers of America as Israel EXTENDED on our COASTS - - HOLLYWOOD/LOS ANGELES,
SEATTLE, NEW YORK CITY, ATLANTA, FLORIDA. Is this not prophecy of the Russian
Bear with its alliances seeking to save, to spoil, and to plunder the internal
portion of this nation?
SELAH.
America was founded upon REVOLUTION - - "brought back
from the sword".
America is KNOWN throughout the world as a "melting
pot" - - "gathered out of many people".
America possesses much higher
points than Palestine, and is the greatest strength for the nation-state of
Israel in Palestine - - "the mountains of Israel".
America was a
wasteland at the time that Ezekiel wrote. It was a land with a rich potential,
although it was a waste due to its lack of development to that time - - "which
have been ALWAYS waste". This CANNOT refer to the land of Palestine for it had
not been ALWAYS waste, having been previously profitable prior to captivity.
America would be brought forth from having "been ALWAYS waste" when it
would be "brought forth out of the nations" in mixture with Israel since
Israel was insistent upon mixing with the nations throughout its
history.
If you DO NOT KNOW of the history of ISRAEL after their
CAPTIVITY and DISPERSION then you will not know WHO, WHAT, and WHERE is
ISRAEL. Your readings of prophecy will subsequently be skewed.
I think
the Exegeses Bible gives the MOST ACCURATE TRANSLATION OF VERSES 11 AND 12:
AND YOU SAY, "I ASCEND TO THE LAND OF SUBURBS; I GO TO THEM WHO REST
-- WHO SETTLE CONFIDENTLY; ALL OF THEM SETTLING WITHOUT WALLS AND HAVING
NEITHER BARS NOR DOORS; TO SPOIL A SPOIL AND TO PLUNDER A PLUNDER" -- TO TURN
YOUR HAND ON THE PARCHED AREAS NOW INHABITED, AND ON THE PEOPLE GATHERED FROM
THE GOYIM, WHO WORK CHATTEL AND WHO CHATTEL -- WHO SETTLE ON THE SUMMIT OF THE
LAND.
AMERICA as Israel EXTENDED would eventually "dwell safely" more
than 2 millennia after this prophecy was given, or as the Exegeses Bible
renders it (perhaps more accurately) "and they shall SETTLE CONFIDENTLY all of
them".
SELAH.
Ahava b' YahShua
(Love in The
SAVIOUR)
Baruch YHVH,
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