Chris:Any guy familiar with the 'dead parrot
sketch' is smarter than your average 'bear' (pun intended). Seriously, it does
bother me when people who influence others (read yourself) though not 'blind to
some of what is there to see' also see what isn't there. (read Russia in the
Bible) One hopes that those who attend to your speaking have as much discernment
as the one returning the parrot.
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!HALALU Yah!
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Sent: 07/20/2004 10:28 AM
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Chris, Chris, Chris:That dog won't hunt! Russia
ain't in the Bible either. If you want to 'play' with Scripture then, enjoy
yourself.
Lance: Just one of me here ... though
id'd as Christ by the leading TT trinitarian I am still only one even as The
Almighty is only one. As to Scripture ... well ... I work hard at it but
I also LOVE my work AND have fun with it! As to your observation of my
observation ... there is none so blind as those that will not to
see.
Ahava b'
YahShua
(Love in The
SAVIOUR)
Baruch
YHVH,
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Subject: [TruthTalk] America in the
Bible
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There are no references to America in the
Bible.
Hmmm ...
EZEKIEL 38 speaks first of all of the Russian Bear. It also speaks of
others in alliance with the Russian Bear.
Verse 8 shows the context
of time, "After many days ... in the latter years". This speaks of a
future time from that of Ezekiel that has yet to be fulfilled. Are these
times "the latter years"? Does this speak of OUR TIME?
Verse 8
also shows the Russian Bear with its alliances coming to a particular
land. This land is "brought back from the sword". This land is "gathered
out of many people". This land is identified as "the mountains of Israel
which have been ALWAYS waste but it is brought forth out of the nations,
and they shall dwell safely all of them".
Is this land of Israel
the same as that of Palestine?
In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its
alliances, "Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say
DESCEND as south into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in
north to ??????
Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou
shalt be like a cloud to cover the land" as in an aerial transport of an
overwhelming army, or perhaps a hail of missiles, or possibly even a
literal "mushroom cloud"!
Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with
its alliances, "... thou, and all thy bands, and many people with
thee".
Is there another "Israel" than that land commonly identified
as Israel that is also a most hated and despised nation?
Is verse 11 an even clearer continuation that Ezekiel 38 could NOT be
about Israel in the land of Palestine?
Verse 11 says to/of the
Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt say, 'I will GO UP' ..."
as in north. It does not say GO DOWN to Israel as in Palestine.
Verse 11 reveals the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... to the
land of unwalled villages ...". The land of Israel in Palestine today is a
land of VILLAGES that are WALLED.
Verse 11 reveals further the
thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... I will go to them that are at rest,
that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls ...". The land of
Israel in Palestine today is a land of VILLAGES that are on constant and
heightened alert and that do NOT "dwell safely", neither can it be said of
those that dwell in Palestine that they are "of them dwelling without
walls ..."!
Verse 12 reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian
Bear with its alliances, "To take a spoil". Once again, take note of
Israel in Palestine today, its land and the condition thereof. What
"spoil" would be taken from there?
Verse 12 reveals yet again the
identity of where the attack is to be upon, "... to turn thine hand
UPON THE DESOLATE PLACES ..." - - at the time that Ezekiel is writing - -
"... that are now inhabited ..." - - as to the future date according to
the earlier portion Ezekiel wrote in this chapter of "the latter
days".
Verse 12 further reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear,
"... to have gotten CATTLE and GOODS that DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THE LAND".
Does this apply to Israel in the land of Israel in Palestine?
Has Ezekiel 38 been generally misinterpreted? Review again this
chapter beginning with verse 9 as noted above.
In verse 9 YahVeh speaks to/of the Russian Bear with its
alliances, "Thou shalt ASCEND and come like a storm". It does not say
DESCEND as south into Israel in Palestine. Scripture says ASCEND as in
north ... over the polar ice cap with its SHORTER and more PROTECTED from
radar route to America as Israel EXTENDED!
Verse 9 says to/of the
Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou shalt be like a cloud to cover
the land" as in an aerial transport of an overwhelming army, or perhaps a
hail of missiles ... or possibly even a literal "mushroom cloud"!
Verse 9 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances, "... thou,
and all thy bands, and many people with thee".
America as Israel
EXTENDED is a most hated and despised nation. She is taken advantage of,
not truly loved, nor is she respected. Many (?most?) will join with the
Russian Bear against America as Israel EXTENDED.
Is verse 11 an
even clearer continuation that Ezekiel 38 is about America as Israel
EXTENDED?
Verse 11 says to/of the Russian Bear with its alliances,
"... thou shalt say, 'I will GO UP' ..." as in north over the polar ice
cap with its SHORTER and more PROTECTED from radar route to America as
Israel EXTENDED! It does not say GO DOWN as in south to Israel as in
Palestine.
Verse 11 reveals the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "...
to the land of unwalled villages ...". Does this not more definitively
speak to America as Israel EXTENDED?!? It CANNOT refer to Israel in
Palestine since VILLAGES there are WALLED.
Verse 11 reveals
further the thoughts of the Russian Bear, "... I will go to them that are
at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls ...". Does
this not more definitively speak again to AMERICA as Israel EXTENDED?!?
Once again, it CANNOT refer to Israel in Palestine as VILLAGES there are
on constant and heightened alert, do NOT "dwell safely", neither can it be
said of those that dwell in Palestine that they are "of them dwelling
without walls ..."!
Verse 12 reveals the purpose and desire of the
Russian Bear with its alliances, "To take a spoil". Does this not more
definitively speak yet again to America as Israel EXTENDED! Once again, it
CANNOT refer to Israel in Palestine. There is no "spoil" to be profited
from there.
Verse 12 reveals yet once again the identity of where
the attack is to be upon, "... to turn thine hand UPON THE DESOLATE PLACES
..." - - at the time that Ezekiel is writing - - "... that are now
inhabited ..." - - as to the future date according to the earlier portion
Ezekiel wrote in this chapter of "the latter days". Does this not more
definitively speak yet once again to America as Israel EXTENDED mixed with
"... the people that are gathered out of the nations ..."!
Verse
12 further reveals the purpose and desire of the Russian Bear, "... to
have gotten CATTLE and GOODS that DWELL IN THE MIDST OF THE LAND". The
Russian Bear covets (and has ALWAYS coveted) the "CATTLE and GOODS that
DWELL IN THE MIDST OF" **America**. Does not this Scripture address the
geographical area of the Russian Bear as the instrument of judgment of
YahVeh against the sin centers of America as Israel EXTENDED on our
COASTS - - HOLLYWOOD/LOS ANGELES, SEATTLE, NEW YORK CITY, ATLANTA,
FLORIDA. Is this not prophecy of the Russian Bear with its alliances
seeking to save, to spoil, and to plunder the internal portion of this
nation?
SELAH.
America was founded upon REVOLUTION - - "brought back
from the sword".
America is KNOWN throughout the world as a
"melting pot" - - "gathered out of many people".
America possesses
much higher points than Palestine, and is the greatest strength for the
nation-state of Israel in Palestine - - "the mountains of Israel".
America was a wasteland at the time that Ezekiel wrote. It was a
land with a rich potential, although it was a waste due to its lack of
development to that time - - "which have been ALWAYS waste". This CANNOT
refer to the land of Palestine for it had not been ALWAYS waste, having
been previously profitable prior to captivity.
America would be
brought forth from having "been ALWAYS waste" when it would be "brought
forth out of the nations" in mixture with Israel since Israel was
insistent upon mixing with the nations throughout its history.
If
you DO NOT KNOW of the history of ISRAEL after their CAPTIVITY and
DISPERSION then you will not know WHO, WHAT, and WHERE is ISRAEL. Your
readings of prophecy will subsequently be skewed.
I think the
Exegeses Bible gives the MOST ACCURATE TRANSLATION OF VERSES 11 AND 12:
AND YOU SAY, "I ASCEND TO THE LAND OF SUBURBS; I GO TO THEM WHO
REST -- WHO SETTLE CONFIDENTLY; ALL OF THEM SETTLING WITHOUT WALLS AND
HAVING NEITHER BARS NOR DOORS; TO SPOIL A SPOIL AND TO PLUNDER A PLUNDER"
-- TO TURN YOUR HAND ON THE PARCHED AREAS NOW INHABITED, AND ON THE PEOPLE
GATHERED FROM THE GOYIM, WHO WORK CHATTEL AND WHO CHATTEL -- WHO SETTLE ON
THE SUMMIT OF THE LAND.
AMERICA as Israel EXTENDED would
eventually "dwell safely" more than 2 millennia after this prophecy was
given, or as the Exegeses Bible renders it (perhaps more accurately) "and
they shall SETTLE CONFIDENTLY all of them".
SELAH.
Ahava b' YahShua
(Love in The
SAVIOUR)
Baruch YHVH,
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