In a message dated 8/18/2004 2:35:07 PM Pacific
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jt: Genesis 1:26 tells us that
Adam was made in the "image of God" which would make him a spirit being.
Spirit communes with Spirit and Adam communed with God in the cool of the day
before the breach took place. Adam became just like us after the fall
when, because of his own choice darkness flooded his being and he became
separated from God. He was still spirit, soul, and body, but his spirit
walked in a different reality and Seth was born in the image of Adam rather
than the image of God (see Genesis 5:3)
John writes: Genesis 1:26 does not reference the
creation of Adam. The passage cannot be translated "let us make
Adam in our image" because of the "male and female created He them"
phrase. I do not understand why this is not clear?
I don't have a problem with it
John. Both man and woman are created basically as "spiritual
beings"
Genesis 1:26 speaks of "mankind" not Adam. I Co 15 speaks
of the first man Adam as being "earthy" (NSAV). There is no alternative
teaching in scripture. I don't even know what a "spirit being"
is? I think Lance ask you about this. And I am asking
now. What is a spirit being and how is he
different from me and what scripture supports your point?
Why would one assume that
Genesis 1:26 means "mankind" in general? Do you think that Genesis
2:15 speaks of "mankind" in general also? That God took all of them and put them in
the garden of Eden to tend and keep it John? I just believe it says what
it means and means what it says, that is, when it says "man" it means "man"
singular. What is a spirit being? We are all spirit beings who
have a soul and who live in a body (mobile home).
Here is a scripture with comment that you did not
address. It sems to be something speaks to your belief that Adam was a
spirit being. I must tell you that I your view
on this is most unusual. The first Adam was man, earthy in all
aspects (I Co 15:45-48.). From this scripture, I understand that Adam
was man, not spirit. I do agree with that last sentence "..Adam
was spirit, soul, and body" because that is what I am. As I read I Cor
15, the biblical message draws the conclusion that Adam was a man just like
me. I need a scripture that presents a different conclusion.
I am not referring to "spirit"
like in ghost John. I believe Adam was spirit with a soul and a body just like
us - when he fell his being was flooded with darkness (satan is also spirit)
rather than light and there was a breach in his relationship with God.
What kind of a translation do you have that reads as the above?
NSAV. I don't understand your reference to "ghost."
You say that "Adam ... [was] just like us." How can you say that and
then assert that he was different? I don't get it.
I'm not
asserting that Adam was "different" from us. It's just that we've been
taught such a mental Greek/Westernized way of looking at things to the point
that we are blind to the spiritual reality we live in from day to
day.
Specifically, this statement
is what I am having trouble with: Adam became just like us after the fall
when,........... What
biblical statement can you point to that verifies this belief.
We were all born into this
world in the image or likeness of the first Adam (we are born fallen) and it
is only possible to regain the "image of God" (which is the way Adam was
before the fall) - "In Christ" One scripture would be 1 Cor 15:49.
Where in your reference does Paul tells us that Adam's nature
ws different than ours, today?
Genesis 1:27 tells me that God
created Adam & Eve in His image which means they were spiritual
beings and their nature was innocent and holy just like His. Our
nature today is not like that until we allow Him to change us from glory
to glory into the same image as that of the Lord. People hold two extreme views about Christ. Some such as the
incarnationalists say he was
same as the first Adam with a fallen nature that did not sin. Others say He
was God incarnate. However, He never claimed to be the Father; in fact he said
the Father was greater than He. He was an example of how Adam was before
the fall and how we are to become in Him see: 2 Cor 3:18, 2 Cor 4:4; Col
1:15.
I understand you argument that
God is Spirit, therefore Adam was a spirit being. Do we then conclude
that God is "masculine" therfore so was Eve? The reason why that
question is rediculous is that 1:26 is not talking about Adam and Eve per
se -- they are included, of course, but so are all of us as
"mankind." Don't you think this is difficult point for your
understanding?
No - He made them
male and female. Adam is a male spirit being and Eve is a female spirit
being. Satan is an evil spirit being, and angels are servant spirit
beings. I don't think this is a difficult point. We are all born
spirit beings, sadly more in tune with the wrong spirit but nonetheless spirit
beings. jt
Then Adam and Eve were created like Satan, in terms of the kind
of being they were.
No John Genesis 1:26 tells us
that God made both man and woman in His image and after His likeness. We
know that God is Spirit (John 4:24) and so someone made in His image would
also of necessity have to be spirit. God is holy, so this would be
another requirement. Satan may be a spirit being but he is nothing like
God.
And that changed after the "fall?" I was hoping
that you could justify your opinion with some applied
acripture.
Where have
you been? I've been basing everything I've written on scripture and
posting the scriptures as I go along.
I am not trying to be Mr Snurdly, but so far there is only your
logic
I don't mind
a challenge but I don't understand what the problem is. This is not MY logic.
What I believe comes from Genesis without any additions or added
explanations. jt
