Herein lies an opportunity for: 1. agreement  2. change of mind (Judy), 3. clarification (Linda)
 
 
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Sent: August 20, 2004 07:44
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?

Hi Izzy,

 

Let me jump in here.  One thing we always have to be careful of is our blind acceptance of some of our definitions.  The soul, or spirit is one of these.  When the New Testament writers were writing the NT they had two choices for describing the spiritual: they could either make up new names or use old names, already commonly accepted but with a spin that would set them apart.  They chose the second.  The concept of soul or spirit that you and Judy have comes completely from Greek philosophy.  Whenever you see the word soul or spirit in the Bible you automatically use a skewed definition that is clearly opposite from actual scripture.  It is not rooted in scripture at all.  In other words, just because Judy gives a verse that uses the word soul or spirit does not in any way prove that they are actual entities separated from the rest of who we are.  This is completely opposite of the Hebrew revelation from the Old Testament and leads one into Gnosticism as we can easily see in Judy’s writings (Gnosticism held that human beings consist of flesh, soul, and spirit (the divine spark), and that humanity is divided into classes representing each of these elements. http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/society/A0821080.html).  We must always be on the lookout for dualisms that are not present.  Please see the links below for some more detailed information and word studies.

 

http://www.cresourcei.org/bodysoul.html

http://www.pickle-publishing.com/papers/soul-and-spirit.htm

 

Jonathan


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Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:15 AM
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?

 

Lance, I’m not following your logic.  Let me spell it out, since you have not.  Do you consider a soul to be a philosophy? Do you consider a spirit to be a poor exegesis? What are you saying they are? And how do you explain away the scriptural references to them? Izzy

 


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Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?

 

Linda:I do for the reasons cited:soul (philsophical), spirit (poor exegesis). Judy's is a common misapprehension on both. Judy does some great research. Judy quotes scripture extensively in an attempt to support teachings gleaned from Dake & Scofield (sadly). But, I do believe her to be well-intentioned (occasionally).

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Sent: August 18, 2004 17:38

Subject: [TruthTalk] Soul & Spirit?

 

Lance, I am curious to know if you still believe that Human Beings do not have either a soul or a spirit, in spite of Judy’s Biblical evidence to the contrary. Izzy

 

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