: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS SIN?

[Judy Taylor]

From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jt:Don't be a reactionary. Just answer my question then, I'll answer yours. thanks   Do what I say and not what I do - is this your philosophy Lance?   From: Judy Taylor Do you even know what I'm talking about Lance? Obviously you've not seen the book much less read it. Why would you assume that every author I read becomes my mentor?  Must be this way for you?         From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jt:Nothing BECAME of sin! There you go again demonstrating reliance on the teachings of men for your understanding of Biblical Truth. Was Menninger a 'believer'? Add to a growing list (Dake, Scofield)those men whom you place in a position of priority and authority. 'Pots & kettles' once again.    From: Judy Taylor   This subject line is a good question. I submit that today we are for the most part ignorant about what God calls sin and it is only when we are willing to walk in the light as He is in the light that we have real fellowship with one another and this is when the blood of Jesus cleanses us so that we have peace and rest in our personal lives.  Just keeping a stuff upper lip and hanging in there is not where it's at.  Has anyone read the book "WHATEVER BECAME OF SIN?" by Karl Menninger, M.D.  His thesis is good. He traces the demise of sin consciousness and it's effect on our culture which are not good.  They are really costing us and at this point there is little difference between the world and the Church.   God's people are perishing for lack of knowledge... they may go to heaven but God needs them here morehan he does there.  jt          From: Jeff Powers "I am YHVH your God and I do not change. That is why you descendants of Jacob are not already completely destroyed.  Ever since the days of your ancestors you have scorned my laws and failed to obey them.  Now return to me and I will return to you,' says YHVH" Malachi 3:6-7         God has not changed, so what makes anyone think His Law (Torah) has changed?  I ask my question again,  If you reject God's law then how do you define sin?          Secondly, if you reject His law how can you embrace Yeshua?  After all who is Yeshua?  He is none other than God in the flesh!(John 1:1)  It really saddens me to think that people are misled by teachers, preachers, etc. who have been misled by their mentors, who have been misled by their teachers, etc. for nearly 2000 years.         This is very odd because I know someone will eventually throw Acts 15 at me.  So I'll beat you to the punch and ask that you explain Acts 15:21.  And while you're at it explain how the Pharisee of Pharisee's who studied at Gamaliel's feet would reject God's Torah when it is so plainly clear in the Bible that Shaul both understood who Yeshua is and worked so hard for the salvation of the Gentiles and the Jews. The very same Paul who not only took a Nazarite vow, but went to the Temple and paid the price for several other Nazirs to fulfill their vows.  Shaul did this for what reason? To reject Torah?  There ain't nobody gonna convince me that Shaul rejected Torah. His actions disprove that doctrine!! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Clifton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Christians' authority over nature Jeff Powers wrote: Lets see now, if I'm understanding this John rejects Torah. So if this is true John, What then is sin?  >From my perspective, if we reject Torah then we quite naturally reject God's law and in rejecting God's Law we therefore have to reject ALL notions of sin.  Without Torah, how are we to know what sin is? ======================================================== Something you might want to consider Jeff.  There was sin and there was a penalty for sin long before Torah.  Mankind left the garden with a knowledge of good and evil.  Sometime later the law came, and after that, the law was fulfilled.  In the meantime, no one was ever able to keep it.  It was meant for a people, for a time, for a purpose.  Those times are over.  Now we live by faith, evidenced by love and obedience (Works). Terry