Gelatins??? J
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] WHAT IS
SIN?
Pretty good for an old guy. You made it into Smithson's
"saved" file. Go ahead and tell Vee.
.............. ok, now with that done, I hesitate to add anything
to this thoughtful post. But, an additional evidence for what Terry
is saying is the very difference in style between much of the Old Scripture and
that of the New. After the Cross, absolutely no hint of a legal
system. Just read Gelatins or whatever and compare to Exodus,
Leviticus.
Smithmeister
In a message dated 8/20/2004 5:53:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have nothing but respect for
Slade. I think that he is serious about what he believes, and I think he
probably tries to live a life that is pleasing to the Lord. Yet I cannot
respect what he is teaching. Anytime anyone says that it is Jesus plus
Torah, they are teaching in error, what Paul calls false teachers, and false
teaching hurts the cause of Christ, whether or not it is done in good faith.
Can I prove this? I believe I can, but of course I am biased, so you must
decide for yourself after considering what I offer.
Let's start with something Slade and I recently discussed very briefly -
the parables of the wineskin and the new patch. I think it is obvious
that Jesus was speaking to people who were familiar with both wineskins and new
wine, as well as old and new cloth. He was not teaching a class on how to
age wine or how to repair garments. He was using these things because
people knew about them and could relate to them. He said, using my own
paraphrase, "You can't put new wine in an old stiff animal skin; one that
is dried and cracked, because the new wine, as it ferments, will give off gas
that will cause pressure that the old bag cannot withstand. It will burst
if you try it. You will lose everything - the wine skin and the
wine. If you have a new batch of wine, you put it in a new, strong,
flexible wine skin that can handle the pressure". Then He said,
" You don't take a new piece of cloth and use it to patch a hole in your
clothing, (no Sanforizing in those days) because the new cloth will shrink and
tear the old cloth where it is sewn together, and the hole will be larger than
ever." What Jesus was telling the hearers, and us, is that you
cannot add Jesus to the old covenant without losing everything. Jesus did
not come to patch up something old. He came to make something totally
new, something called a Christian, a new creature in Christ.
I said that I thought the above was obvious, so you will want to know why I see
this as obvious. The answer is this. There is no way to fit the old
covenant into the new covenant and there is no way to fit the new covenant into
the old covenant. You would have a better chance of success if you mixed
oil and water. Just a glance at either tells you immediately that the two
are so contrary to one another that they cannot possibly co-exist. Under
the old covenant, hereafter simply referred to as OC, you had one nation, Israel, out of
all the nations, that could approach God. Of that nation, only one tribe
could be priests.
Of all the priests, only one could enter the presence of God, and him only one
day a year. Under the new covenant, all believers are priests, and can
approach God anyplace, any time, 24/7.
During the OC, when you went to the temple, you found that everything to do
with worship was handled by the Levites. The NC picture of the Church
shows Jesus as the cornerstone, the apostles as the foundation, and every
believer as a living stone. There are no Levites.
In the OC, the Holy Spirit was only given to selected individuals, for a
specific purpose, for a limited time. Under the NC, every believer
receives the Holy Spirit at the moment that he or she is saved.
The OC law of Moses made no allowance for failure. (Whoever shall keep
the whole law of Moses, and yet offend in one point, is guilty of all.)
The NC promises that we can do all things thru Christ, and if we fail, we have
a redeemer.
Under the OC, the only way to be righteous was to be totally compliant with 600
plus rules. Under the NC, we are considered righteous, not because of
what we have done, but because of what our Savior has done.
We could go on and on with endless comparisons, but you get the idea, I am
sure; the law is not compatible with grace. When you stand before the
throne, the question will not be "Did you eat pork, or did you
tithe? It will be, what did you do with Christ?"
That is why Paul says in Romans 7:4 that believers have become dead to the law
because Christ has saved us. The law has no hold on the follower of
Christ. We do not have six hundred rules, we have two. Love God,
love one another. Being a gentile, I was never under the law to begin
with, but in that same verse, Paul also tells us that those who seek
righteousness by keeping the law can only bear fruit unto death.
If this seems like some radical new thinking, let me point out that Abraham was
saved by faith, not by keeping a clipboard under his arm to check for proper
response to every situation. He got by fine before the law, just as we
get by fine after the law. (The law was in effect until the Seed came, Gal.3:19
)
Have to cut it off now and jump in the shower, but this should give you at
least a good start if you want to pursue the truth.
Blessings,
Terry