RE: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you

[C. Tim Winkley]

Certainly but it was not finished until the cross.    They looked forward, you look back; whatâs the diff? âthey that do the will of my Fatherâ His Fatherâs will is expressed in the commandments. âblessed are they that do His commandmentsâ   Peterâs first word to the Gentiles âbut in every nation, he that feareth Him and worketh righteousness, the same is accepted of him.   Fear God and Work righteousness. Sounds like the same old story to me.   The code of conduct was there for David.   He learned the lesson that comes from realizing the law was a tutor until Christ.  Ps 51 finds David understanding the importance of contrition and brokenness at a time when the altar of sacrifice was God's plan Thank you for making my point. We differ in that you say the Law has changed, I say the change was built into the Law therefore the Law has only been perfected.    Are you saying it is not there for you? Should you murder? Should you dishonor your parents? Should you forget the Sabbath? Should you steal? Should you covet?   Think the "cross."   Think the âsacrificeâ. Cross is the modern term, insufficient in describing Godâs glory.   I am saying that the law associated with the Covenant has changed.   Jere 31:31-34   I am saying that all the works were finished from the foundation of the world; BTW I am just repeating Scripture.   Name one individual in the Bible that was not borne under the penalty of death   Me.   (I do not believe in original sin).  I said nothing of original sin. âNevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the simultude of Adamâs trangressionâ   Oh, in the Bible?   Pick a name   What do you mean by this?     C. Tim Winkley Aka Law Man   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 10:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] from O'Reilley to you   In a message dated 8/31/2004 8:22:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brother John,   My responses in blue (you better duck)   And you believe that as well, unless you are still butchering bulls and goats out in your backyard. No need, my Christ, the Messiah said âit is finishedâ, which was foretold in the Law many years prior. Certainly but it was not finished until the cross.  Did you forget the lesson of 2 Corinthians 3? 2 Corinthians 3:13   And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: Think the "cross."   Moses looked through to the abolishment of the Levitical and sacrificial system, and saw the finished work of the Messiah (which is why he glowed), he yet continued in sacrifice because he knew that the time had not come. Think the Cross   Have you forgotten the lesson of 1 Corinthians 10, they (Israelites in the wilderness) were all baptized into Moses, ate the same spiritual meat and drank of the same spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. Think the Cross.   The law by which we are judged is no longer a code of conduct, written in stone or in some way codified.   And you are saying that Abraham, Isaac, David etcâ were judged by a code of conduct?  âAbraham believed God and it was counted to him for righteousnessâ. Abraham hath whereof to glory, but not before Godâ. The code of conduct was there for David.   He learned the lesson that comes from realizing the law was a tutor until Christ.  Ps 51 finds David understanding the importance of contrition and brokenness at a time when the altar of sacrifice was God's plan (also).    Rather we are judged in view of an inwardness that gives us a relationship with God, knowingly or not;    that says "yes" to the faith of Christ and His sacrifice providing our gracious redemption.   Are you actually saying that the Israelites were somehow judged differently?  I am saying that the law associated with the Covenant has changed.   Jere 31:31-34. It is not about commandment keeping or a degree of holiness.   Surely you are speaking of the perversion of the Pharisee.  Do not hang such on what God has called perfect and just and holy I am speaking of the message found in Romans 3-5.  The Law has not changed it has always cursed the self-reliant and empowered the faithful and trusting.  Did you forget the lesson of the Psalms and later quoted in Romans âthere are none that seeketh God, they have all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable, there none righteous, no not oneâ? Yeah, I remember that.   Name one individual in the Bible that was not borne under the penalty of death, name one, other than Jesus that could boast perfect adherence to the commandments. Me.   (I do not believe in original sin).  Oh, in the Bible?   Pick a name.    It is a nice story you tell about coming home, but home has rules and conditions for remaining. So it is all up to you?   The ending of the sacrificial system was part of the beginning of the Law.   The commandments came after grace, because of transgression.  420 years later to be specific. Hebrews 4:3   For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.   C. Tim Winkley Aka Law Man