In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:50:20 AM Pacific
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of course not, jt(!) let's think: i suspect that consciousness of sin is an original concept of the Ap Paul, spiritually, rediscovrd periodically by, e.g. MLuthr,
of course not, jt(!) let's think: i suspect that consciousness of sin is an original concept of the Ap Paul, spiritually, rediscovrd periodically by, e.g. MLuthr,
jt: Consciousness
of sin hasn't gone anywhere for those with a conscience toward God. It was there
in the garden just as soon as A&E saw that they had been snowed and had
traded everything for nothing. It was shame and an awareness of their nakedness.
It was there at Horeb when Israel feared coming close to the Mount knowing
they would be exhumed. It is there whenever someone rightly experiences
shame before an authority figure for a wrong done. No consciousness of sin and I
would be concerned about a reprobate mind and a seared
conscience.
else even we, inc
Pedro, would well be mired still in the myth/s of th Dark Ages; while so, then
culturally, one asks naturally now, relative to Rom 3, of what are you
conscious via law?
jt: The dark ages had
nothing to do with spiritual reality - and this is why it is called the dark
ages. God's Law is light and peace. What part of Romans 3? Vs.30 says both
circumcised and uncircumcised are justified through faith and Vs.31 says "Do we
then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we
establish the law." So faith is not passive, it's not just all talk
and faith aside from corresponding actions or obedience, which some
call works is dead...(just hot air).
while you admit (scripturally) 'I ain't always conscious of moral perfection', what are you but in agreement with, e.g.,the Ap Paul in Rom 3 and God and even with MLuthr himself? stated anothr way, the point is (biblically, curntly culturaly) that ignorance of sin is tied to ignorance of the law/Rom 3--or, somewhat conversly, the more you pursue the law, the more you'll experience what you are really, intrinsically, extrinsically, exceedingly sinful
jt: I don't walk there Gary. When I was
born again I learned that I had (in Christ) become part of the New Creation and
that old things are passed away - and all things have become new. I
consider myself dead to the old man with carnal thinking, passions,
and desires and alive to the new in Christ. I no longer live by bread alone
but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God which would include
His Law. I don't see myself "under" the law until I sin because so long as I
walk after the Spirit there is no condemnation. I am in the process of
learning to fulfil God's Law through Christ - like Paul who said he was not
without the law to God but under the law to Christ (1 Corinthians
9:21).
try to be perfect and say you're succeedg; the bible permits those who know the truth of Rom 3 to laugh like God in Ps. 2 who'll 'have you in derision'
jt: Again, what part of
Romans 3 Gary? And what is so funny? I'm a bit
concerned you may have been deluded into taking on a God complex about
Ps.2...
