Jesus and the Father are ONE. Why do you separate their commandments as if they are two. Jesus' commands and God's commands are one in the same. Jesus quotes the Law all of the time and says obey MY commandments. He followed God's commandements perfectly.
And while we are at it so did Paul. And, Paul was after the cross. Philipians 3:5-6- "circumcised the eight day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH IS IN THE LAW, found blameless." If Paul is really speaking against the Law why does he waste his time following it blamelessly. Yes, we are to love. But if you look at the Law you would see that each Law has to do with either loving God or loving your neighbor. If you are unwilling to follow the Law then you are missing the instructions of how to love the Lord your God with all of your heart and how to love your neighbor as yourself. I also agree that we have someone greater than Moses. We have Jesus. Moses was used by God to write His commandments. Jesus is the Law. John 1:1- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. If you say any part of the Word is invalid than you are saying that some part of God is invalid. Hebrews speaks of the order of Melchizedek. Jesus is that High Priest. Of course God had to set up a perfect priesthood so that we could be with Him for eternity. Man is sinful. Man could not have possibly been the bridge to God because man is sinful. But, just because he set up a new priest does not mean that this new priest does not have to follow the Laws God made for sacrifices. As a matter of fact, they would have to follow the Law perfectly in order for their sacrifice for the people to be acceptable for eternity. There are other sacrifices and offerings that were made on the altar besides the sin sacrifices. You avoided my question if we are adopted sons and daughters of God why don't we have to follow God's Law? I said it that way so that you would understand my little "House rules." What family are you adopted into? Is there a separation between God's family and Jesus' family? Romans 11 is talking about the Gentiles knowing salvation and being grafted in the rich root of the olive tree. The rich root of the olive tree is the family of God. It also warns the Gentiles about being arrogant toward the natural branches because it is the root that supports you not you supporting the root. By ignoring that rich root you are a branch that is independent of the olive tree. If God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either. Suzy --- Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Susan Petersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If the Levitical Priesthood is no longer relevant > than why do we need > Jesus as our High Priest? And if we are > no longer supposed to do the feasts why are we going > to be doing them in > the Millenial Kingdom? Also, if we > consider ourselves adopted sons and daughters of > Christ why don't we have > to follow the House rules? > > Hi Susan and welcome to TT. Jesus our High Priest is > after another order. > He is after the order of Melchizidec which was > before the Aaronic > Levitical priesthood and is eternal. Where in > scripture do you get the > term "House rules?" Are you culturaly Jewish also? > > Following the Law is not a thing that we do to earn > our salvation! We > follow God's Law because we love him and want to > obey him. John 14:15- If > you love Me, you will obey my commandments. > > jt: Yes but now on the other side of the cross we > are as Paul who says in > 1 Cor 9:21 "Being not without the law to God but > under the law of Christ" > - which we can go into later if you wish. > > Jesus quotes the Law all the time. Also, John 15: > 9-11- Just as the > Father has loved Me, I have also loved you ; abide > in my love. If you > keep my commandments, you will abide in My love;just > as I have kept My > Father's commands and abide in > His love. These things I have spoken to you so that > My joy may be in you, > and that your joy may be complete. > > jt: And what are Jesus' Commandments? > > Knowing and believing Moses and the Prophets is a > must. Luke 16: 27-31: > When the rich man asked to have someone warn his > brothers to believe, > Jesus told him that they had Moses and the Prophets > and that his brother > should hear them. v. 31- But he said to him, "If > they do not listen to > Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded > even if someone rises > from the dead. > > jt: Yes I'm familiar with that parable but now we > have someone greater > than Moses; we have the prophet promised in > Deuteronomy 18:18,19 and it > is His words we must hear.. > > John 5:46-47- For if you believed Moses, you would > believe Me, for he > wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his > writings, how will you > believe My words? > > jt: We need to understand this in balance and in > context. Jesus was > speaking to people born under the law (Mosaic > Covenant); we have not > been. We have been born under a covenant of grace. > > Matthew 5:17-20 tells exactly what Jesus came to do > in reference to the > Law. "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or > the Prophets; I did > not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say > to you, until heaven > and earth pass away not the smallest letter or > stroke shall pass from the > Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls > one of the least of > these commandments, and teaches others to do the > same, shall be least in > the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches > them, he shall be > called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say to > you that unless your > righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and > Pharisees, you will not > enter the kingdom of heaven." > > jt: And all of this to the lost sheep of the house > of Israel before the > cross and before Pentecost when the power was sent > from on high to enable > to the Church to do the works of Jesus in this sad > and fallen world. > > I John 2:3-6 explains how we know that we have come > to know Christ. "By > this we know that we have come to > know Him, if we keep His commandments. The one who > says, "I have come to > know Him," and does not keep His > commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him; > but whoever keeps > His Word, in Him the love of God has truly been > perfected. By this we > know that we are in Him: the one who says he abides > in Him ought himself > to walk in the same manner as He walked. Suzy > > jt: Again .. what exactly are His commandments? > You shall love your neighbor as yourself (Leviticus > 19:18) > The whole law is fulfilled in one word in the > statement you shall love > your neighbor as yourself (Gal 5:14) > However you want people to treat you, so treat them, > this is the law and > the prophets (Matt 7:12) > A new commandment I give to you that you love one > another as I have loved > you (John 13:34) > This is my commandment that you love one another > (John 15:12) > This I command you that you love one another (John > 15:17) > And love one another just as he commanded us (1 John > 3:23b) > You yourselves are taught by God to love one another > (1 Thess 4:9) > > > > > > Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:45:54 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Judy, The point It is finished on the cross was > > that Jesus died to do > > away with Sin; which is the opposite of doing away > > with the Law, because > > sin is defined as lawlessness. I John 3:4, > > Everyone who practices sin > > also practices lawlessness; and [Rom 4:15; 1 John > > 5:17] sin is > > lawlessness. > > > > What do you consider the Levitical Law? If you > are > > talking about > > Talmud, I agreeit is not scripture. Gods laws > are > > scripture and as > > such, as you have eloquently stated, will never be > > done away with. Izzy > > > > Judy responds:: I agree with the above Izzy - The > > Levitical Law has to do > > with the Levitical Priesthood and the animal > > sacrifices, feasts, and > > everything having to do with the earthly temple > and > > it is explained in > > Hebrews 9 and 10. This and the Talmud are no > longer > > relevant according to > > my understanding. Judyt. > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > Of Judy Taylor > > > > I don't believe God's moral law has gone anywhere > - > > It is the Levitical > > law that was nailed to the cross because it has > been > > completed in Christ. > > We no longer need Levitical priests, we have a > Great > > High Priest who sits > > on the right hand of God the Father in the > > heavenlies. What point do you > > believe I have missed that has to do with the > cross? > > Judyt > > > > On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 13:14:45 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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