David says Aw, come on, Kevin, you can't even spell it right. Try "eisogesis" not
"ISOgesis."
"ISOgesis."
KD SAYS Aw c'mon try eisegesis NOT "eisogesis"
It is Anglicized as Isogesis or for the greekettes eisegesis
Please use the correct spelling if you are going to try to correct someones spelling
Etymology: Greek eis into (akin to Greek en in)
Etymology: Greek eis into (akin to Greek en in)
You did change the PURE words of God from "Damnable heresy" to "Damnable Factions"
On What Authority, are you a translator as well as a prophet?
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Kevin wrote:
> On what Authority do you CHANGE
> the Words of God?
I do not change the words of God. God's word was not written in English.
Furthermore, the English language has changed since the KJV. Therefore, I
explain what God's Word is concerning His use of the word "hairesis."
Kevin wrote:
> 1 Tim 6:1 that the name of God
> and his doctrine be not blasphemed.
> You still have not told us how one might
> Blaspheme Doctrine
Look at the entire passage you quote:
1 Timothy 6:1-2
(1) Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters
worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not
blasphemed.
(2) And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because
they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and
beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.
The passage asks servants to walk with an obedient and submissive attitude
toward their masters. If, on the other hand, the servants rebuked their
masters for their evil ways, and if the servants acted "holier than thou" to
their masters, the masters would curse the church and the teaching of Christ
which put in their heads the idea that the servants were righteous but the
masters were evil and heading to hell because they did not embrace the
teaching of Christ. That is how one would blaspheme the doctrine of God.
The masters would curse the teaching of Christ because of the disrespect
they saw in its followers. In order to avoid having some blaspheme the
teaching of Christ, which is the way of Christ, Paul exhorts servants to
count their masters worthy of honor.
Kevin wrote:
> Heresy means heresy except if if goes against
> your deeply held theology.
No, the word has changed over time. It originally refered to a faction or
sect, which is related to the modern understanding of an errant opinion.
Sects are often created by disseminating errant opinions, and so the term
heresy has come to mean an errant opinion, the cause of cults, rather than
the creation of cults themselves.
I'm just trying to help you see the object to which Scriptures points.
Scripture is concerned more with behavior than it is with opinions that are
right or wrong. Context has a big role to play here. Paul emphasized
justification being by grace through faith without works whereas James
emphasized justification by works and not by faith alone. In the right
context, these doctrines both can produce good fruit, but in the wrong
context, they both can cause bad fruit. As you well know, nobody should be
going up to a sinner at Mardi Gras and teaching them about justification by
faith through grace apart from anything they do.
Kevin wrote:
> Changing the pure words of God to suit your
> tatse is a better example of scraping the bottom
> of the barrel
I am not changing the words of God. I am simply helping you understand
their meaning. Using a dictionary is not changing words.
Kevin wrote:
> What version are you using mine
> says DAMNABLE HERESIES
> Can you find ONE version that says
> "Damnable Factions" other than the
> David Miller version?
Sure. Following are a few of them:
Douay-Rheims:
2 Peter 2:1
(1) But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall
be among you lying teachers who shall bring in sects of perdition and deny
the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction.
The Message:
2 Peter 2:1
(1) But there were also lying prophets among the people then, just as there
will be lying religious teachers among you. They'll smuggle in destructive
divisions, pitting you against each other--biting the hand of the One who
gave them a chance to have their lives back! They've put themselves on a
fast downhill slide to destruction,
Weymouth Translation:
2 Peter 2:1
(1) But there were also false prophets among the people, as there will be
teachers of falsehood among you also, who will cunningly introduce fatal
divisions, disowning even the Sovereign Lord who has redeemed them, and
bringing on themselves swift destruction.
Young's Literal Translation:
2 Peter 2:1
(1) And there did come also false prophets among the people, as also among
you there shall be false teachers, who shall bring in besides destructive
sects, and the Master who bought them denying, bringing to themselves quick
destruction,
Kevin wrote:
> Gal 5 Now the works of the flesh are manifest,
> which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness,
> lasciviousness,...seditions, heresies
> Why is Heresy in this list of personal behaviors?
> So lets put your word in here
> "FACTIONS", that they which do such things shall
> not inherit the kingdom of God. Seems seditions may
> be closer to what you are trying to prove.
I'm not trying to prove anything, Kevin. The Scriptures are not open for
private interpretation. We need to read the text and let it speak for
itself. That is all I am doing.
Kevin wrote:
> Aniother [sic] Great example of ISOgesis [sic]
Aw, come on, Kevin, you can't even spell it right. Try "eisogesis" not
"ISOgesis."
Look, I'm not trying to get you to think that false teaching is a good
thing. It is not. I'm just trying to help you see the emphasis of
Scripture is upon behavior not opinions. Opinions effect behavior and this
is why opinions are important. If we wrangle over opinions that have little
to do with behavior, then we are missing it big time. That is what I am
hoping you can see. Sound doctrine has to do with that teaching which
results in the peaceable fruit of righteousness being produced in those who
hear it, embrace it, and do it. False teaching has to do with creating
sects and factions which turn people aside from holiness. One way they
effect this is by focusing upon opinions being right or wrong rather than on
behavior being according to love.
For example, they argue about whether baptism is done the right way and with
the right words, or they argue about the nature of the Godhead, or if the
Scriptures are being interpreted properly, or if the right translation is
being used, etc. etc. Now sometimes these issues can be helpful if they
result in the transformation of a person's life whereby they cease from sin
and begin to walk in holiness, but if all we have are arguments and
opinions, then this is the stuff of false teaching and heresies in the true
sense of the word.
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
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