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I don't believe there are ever times when God doesn't love
 
Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction
PS 64:9 And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing.
Joshua 4 That all the people of the earth might know the hand of the LORD, that it is mighty: that ye might fear the LORD your God for ever.
 
You do not know the God of the Bible
Mal 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste
RM 9:13 Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
PS 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
PS 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. If he turn not, he will whet his sword; he hath bent his bow, and made it ready. He hath also prepared for him the instruments of death
God also loves Hitler? Jeffrey Dahmler [sp] The Homo Cannibal?
 
God's preocpupation with hell?
DU 32 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth
PS 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell
PS 55 Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
IS 5 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.
Is 14 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
MT 18 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
MT 23 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
MK 9 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Lu 12 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

TERRY SAID Maybe you both need to do a little more research.  Start with Sodom and Gomorrah, then go to the flood.  Finish up with Annanias and Sapphira. 

These Warnings are for a EXAMPLE to us:
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;  And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet. These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
 

Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
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Sent: March 15, 2005 15:02
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Since it's March Break, the kids are home. I walked in to hear Caspian playing his guitar, recording his own music upstairs on his computer. That was kind of a neat juxtaposition with the Dylan Chronicles and imagining the young Dylan!
 
What I like about Dylan's writing is how he describes people, and captures them in a few essential details--but I hope I don't have to try to keep track of all these people he crosses paths with, as there are so many! For me the reading gets in the way, though; I can't quite describe how, but it's distracting. I'm too aware of the voice and tone, it's almost like I have to get behind it or under it to really hear the words. That's kind of ironic, isn't it. 
 
...Or maybe it was just that hell was distracting me. Hell can be a hell of a distraction. I don't know what to say/think about what Terry wrote, except that I don't believe there are ever times when God doesn't love, or people he doesn't love--whatever other daddies might do. John said on the phone this morning that no theology accounts for everything, and I agree. I am afraid of taming God or flattening him into one dimension, and any theology is capable of doing that, tends towards that. All kinds of things come into my head--Lewis in Till We Have Faces saying that the truth is thick and dark like blood rather than clear and runny like water. The Beavers saying to Lucy in Narnia about Aslan, "Of course he's not safe!" Marina saying at Cagney's that there IS such thing as judgment. I don't think we can figure God out.
 
But hell IS a distraction! I think that paying too much attention to hell or no-hell is like looking at your back tire to see if it's low while trying to ride your bike. It can't be done. You veer off course or you wobble and fall over. I just think we're not meant to. Perhaps for some of us, when we are in the same place as the Prodigal Son when he "came to himself", an awareness of hell (or our own hell?) can jolt us into a longing to be reunited with our Father. But it should not be the impetus for our evangelism, or what we "use" to goad people into the Kingdom. It is like always turning over the breathtaking painting to look at the back, or something; I don't know how else to describe the perverseness of that focus, when we should be constantly blown away by the desire of God for us. Like in the quote you sent me this morning.
 
Other stuff later.
 
Debbie       
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Sent: March 15, 2005 11:36
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Maybe you both need to do a little more research.  Start with Sodom and Gomorrah, then go to the flood.  Finish up with Annanias and Sapphira.  Sometimes Daddy don't love.
Terry



Bill Taylor wrote:
You have got that soooooooooooooooo RIGHT! Now live in that assurance as you resolve every other tension.
 
Bill
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Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:12 AM
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DAVEH:  If I were to fill in the blank G.....I'd say God thinks like a parent.  In my opinion, God is quintessentially the ultimate parent.  For him to do something contrary to what a parent would do....defies my perception of the Lord's love and mercy.



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