Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13 fg. - Perhaps it's focus is WHO not so much WHAT

[Bill Taylor]

John wrote  >  The Bible does not teach that obedience is more important than even the motivation.    If "works" springs from "faith,"  then the motivation is the most important thing   --------------------------------    apart from works.   Oooooooooooohhhhhh, I can see the wheels turning in  your head, underneath all that long brown hair.   Yes indeed !!  Get the motivation right and the works WILL follow.   Agree?    So, I am right.......  ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................again.  It all seems so intuitive to me, John. We'll get to find out where we're wrong I suppose, but it sounds a lot like trust > and > obey.     Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] John 16:13 fg. - Perhaps it's focus is WHO not so much WHAT In a message dated 3/31/2005 11:13:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 01:59:32 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you are right, it is usually profoundly so  --  and when you are wrong, it is just as profound.   It is "works salvationalism" that teaches that it makes no difference why you obey, just do it anyway.   I kind of doubt that this is what you mant to say  ....... at least I sincerely hope so, but that is exactly what is sounds like you are saying.  In your paragraph of thought, you make "works" more important than the motivation.   The Bible nowhere teaches this.  Correct me if I am wrong.   JD jt: No such thing as "works salvationism" JD. This is a construction of men.  There is only one salvation and it is for the "overcomers".  Impossible to be one of that group when off "doing your own thing"  The Bible does teach one to "trust and obey" so Terry is right on.....  and walking in the right kind of wisdom - that which is from above.   The Bible does not teach that obedience is more important than even the motivation.    If "works" springs from "faith,"  then the motivation is the most important thing   --------------------------------    apart from works.   Oooooooooooohhhhhh, I can see the wheels turning in  your head, underneath all that long brown hair.   Yes indeed !!  Get the motivation right and the works WILL follow.   Agree?    So, I am right.......  ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................again.  No such thing as works salvationism?   Of course there is.  In the Bible it is given a differnet, name but "works salvationism" it is.   JD