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I don't remember saying anything about co-saviors
Caroline - where do you get this from? Co-laboring is entirely different. Paul says in 1 Cor 3:9 that he
and Apollos were co-laboring with God; one plants and
the other waters. In our own lives we are to labor to enter into rest
Hebrews 4:11 - It doesn't all just fall on us because
Jesus went to the cross. He's done His part but now it's time for us to
take care of ours or - "How will we escape if we
neglect so great a salvation?" judyt
So we are to be co-saviours with Jesus Christ?
Love, Caroline
Salvation being a "gift" is speaking of it in our
own "cultural context" as in children's Christmas musicals
etc.
However, if you will read scripture in balance and
in context you will find that we are to labor together with
God to "work out our own salvation with fear and
trembling" It is not anything we catch by osmosis and
just because Jesus became a man and made it does
not guarantee we will. He left us an example that we
should follow in His steps and sent the Promise to
empower us to do so.
Many are called - but "overcomers" will be the
chosen ones in the Last Day. judyt
A great verse that bolsters Paul's argument
that all Israel will be saved because God made a promise to Abraham, Isaac
and Jacob.
I wonder.... what can we apply this verse
to? What gifts and calling have been
given to us? Salvation? gasp!
What scripture tells us to check
the culture? You watch too much TV!
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of
God are without repentance. Lance Muir
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wrote:
That
was then (John Wesley) and, this is now (David & Kevin). These
are
quite different cultural contexts.
From: "David Miller"
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> Caroline Wong wrote:
> > I've
met many Christians from many different churches
> > and
denominations (including Methodist/Wesleyan)
> > and never
came across a Street Preacher.
>
> The father of the
Methodist/Wesleyan tradition was John Wesley. He was a
> street
preacher who first preached outside while standing on his
father's
> grave because those of the religious establishment
didn't want him in
their
> pulpit. If it were not for street
preachers, there would be no Methodists
> or Wesleyans. I
encourage you to read more about John Wesley and his
field
>
preaching. Wesley first observed George Whitefield open air preaching
and
> described it as disorderly. Wesley seemed to think of it
like some of the
> detractors here in this forum, describing it
as "almost a sin." After
open
> air preaching for 33 years,
Wesley still described it as a cross to him,
but
> he knew
his commission and could see no other way to preach the gospel
to
> every creature. The bottomline is that God used John Wesley
mightily in
> open air preaching and he could not deny the
results. Many of us have
> similar testimonies.
>
>
I grew up in the Methodist tradition too, and I never saw
someone
preaching
> outside until I was well into my
twenties. This is sad, because Jesus did
> it, the apostles did
it, it is in the Bible, and it is found in the
> tradition of
the Methodists, Salvation Army, Puritans, and even in the
>
history of evangelists like Billy Graham.
>
> Peace be
with you.
> David Miller.
>
>
>
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