Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of Teaching LDS...

[Dave Hansen]

DAVEH:  No Judy....I am not kidding, though I may have chosen better words (counsel) to describe it.      When God spoke as recorded in Genesis (1:26), he seemed to be discussing the creation with others...... And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:..... .......I believe this was directly (and pretty much literally) a reference as to what was said at that planning session, or counsel.  Job also referred to such a meeting (1:6)....... Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them. .......which also addresses Kevin's comment carrying negative connotations......... And Satan was a committee member! .........Yes, I believe Satan was also present at that counsel.  His unruly behavior led to a war in heaven, and his subsequent expulsion.  Regarding your comment to Blaine, Judy....... Blaine scripture teaches nothing about any pre-existence so it is all a figment of someone's imagination. .......I would respectfully disagree, as I believe there is plenty of evidence recorded in the Bible of the pre-existence. Judy Taylor wrote: Planning sessions?  Tell me you are kidding DaveH ... Like God is a committee and needs input?  Also my Bible says that the Holy Spirit is the executor of the will of the Father and the Word who became the Son.  jt   On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:06:20 -0700 Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DAVEH:  FWIW.....I agree with what you explained below, Blaine.  But I've always thought LDS theology allows that Adam was a God in the pre-mortal existence, inasmuch as he was one of the key players (as you indicated below) who sat in on the planning sessions (so to speak) of the plan of salvation, and then was a/the pivotal character in implementing the gospel.  Is that how you understand Adam's role/status, Blaine?  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine:  I guess I just can't resist breaking into an interesting conversation!!  Perry you are wrong when you say Mormons believe  Adam was both God-the-Father and Michael in the pre-existance.  It is clear and consistent in all Mormon doctrinal treatesies on this subject that 1)  The man Adam was Michael the archangel in the pre-existence, 2) that  Michael was third in order of authority in the pre-existence.  Both the Father and the Son were above Michael in authority.  Michael was the executive of the will of the Father and the Son, you might say.    In a message dated 5/24/2005 8:01:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave,    If I am "somewhat close", can you tell me the part I am wrong about? You always say if I want to know what mormons believe, ask a mormon... Perry >From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org >Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] mormon angels. was: Dave uses Socratic Method of >Teaching LDS doctrine on TT >Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 06:38:17 -0700 > > > >Charles Perry Locke wrote: > >>Dave, >> >>   Christians consider angels and humans to be two distinct types of >>created beings. > >DAVEH:  Yes, I understand that.  Yet, it seems Paul is telling us that it >is difficult (if not impossible) to tell us (mortals) apart from angels. > >>Correct me if I am wrong, but don't mormons consider angels to be either >>pre-mortal or post-mortal humans? For example, don't mormons consider >>Michael (the archangel) also to have been a human at one point...was it >>Adam? Hasn't he also been considered to be the mormon god the father? So, >>basically, one being can be spirit, angel, human, or god at various times. >>Am I right on this? > >DAVEH:  You are somewhat close. > >> >>Perry   -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.