Do you happen to know for a certainty upon which
mss all foreign translation are based?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: June 03, 2005 08:22
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV
Bible Quiz
You asked me not to give a smart remark. I complied. I answered as best I
could since I really did not understand your question
State it more clearly & I will answer. I do not evade questions.
The new bible problem exists in other languages also.
There are plenty of translations based on the Textus Receptus in other
languages that are the pure word of God for the people of that language.
There are also corrupt bibles in those languages based on the corrupt
greek text of the Jesuits Westcott & Hort
Who worships pages, covers and indexing?
Looks like you are the one that needs to lighten up, how absurd!
Why is it that you inteligensia always have to mischaracterize?
Why not deal with the issue unless it is you who is not able to.
I guess this is the best you can do given the facts.
Fact is the new bibles are hopelessly corrupted.
Are far as lightening up, I will never as long as God gives me strength.
I do not want to face His rebuke, for suffering FALSE Teachers!
Rev 2:20 I have a few things against thee,
because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,
to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and
to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
WWJD
What would JUDITH do?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
This is both evasive and, a non-answer. I've
done the same myself multitudinous times on TT so, I can't hold your feet to
the fire. However, one can't fail to notice that both Christine and yourself
have no real answer for this reality. Which reality? The reality that the
majority (pun intended) of believers on the globe read from a bible which is
not the counterpart to the KJV. May I ask those of you (Kevin, Christine and
David) who worship the pages, covers and indexing to lighten up a bit and,
let God be God.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: June 02, 2005 21:23
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk]
NIV Bible Quiz
The Bibles that have out & out lies and ERRORS in them can not
possibly be God's word.
It may say Bible, it may look like a Bible, but a FALSE WITNESS
utters lies!
The Word of God is recorded in the Bible that we may know what is
required of us and that we might DO IT!
Tell me what you make of that
observation.
Well obviously those that do not speak ENGLISH would have a Bible
that is based on the Recieved text.
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
It is wise for one to remember that the
Word of God is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that His
(God's) Words do not return void. Take care, Kevin, not confuse your
role with that of the Spirit of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN
THROUGH THE KJV! Just imagine!
Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself
able to see every believer at once on the entire globe. Imagine them to
be lit up like a little light. Then, imagine yourself able to see the
Bible (or portion thereof) they had with them. How many of them do you
believe are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart remark, please.
Tell me what you make of that observation.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re:
[TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
the work of Catholic
scholars
It is amazing how some can stand the facts on their head.
The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
Jesuit
cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is the
Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since
1967, has been one of the editors of the United Bible Societies
Greek New Testament. His diocese in Europe is the largest in the
world, with two thousand priests and five million "laity." He is
Professor of New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical
Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President of the Council of
European Bishop's Conferences. A Time magazine, article
reported that Martini brought together a syncretistic
convocation of over 100 religious leaders from around the
world to promote a new age, one-world religion. In
addressing this meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to
synthesize a new religion for thinking men that will
universalize that religion for the world and
lead us into a new age."
Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New Oxford Annotated Bible RSV
1973 The first edition 1962 was the first Protestant annotated
edition of the Bible to be approved by a Roman
authority. It was given an imprimatur in 1966 by
Cardinal Cushing, Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the
blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible translation. Nida was
the Executive Secretary of the Translations Department of the United
Bible Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of biblical
inspiration, Nida says, "... God’s revelation involved
limitations. ... Biblical revelation is not absolute
and all divine revelation is essentially incarnational. ...
Even if a truth is given only in words, it has no real validity until
it has been translated into life. ... The words are in a sense
nothing in and of themselves. ... the word is void unless
related to experience" (Nida, Message and Mission, p.
222-228).
Kurt Aland "This idea
of verbal inspiration (i.e., of the literal
and inerrant inspiration of the text), which the orthodoxy of both
Protestant traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied to the
Textus Receptus with all of its errors, including textual
modifications of an obviously secondary character (as we recognize
them today)" (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon,
1962, pp. 6,7).
BEWARE of these new versions!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Normally when a host of scholars and translation
committees using the most recent manuscript discoveries all agree
against a publication that is nearly 300 aol years old and the work
of Catholic scholars (save the one lone Evangleical,
King James), common wisdom would allow for the "new"
translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the others is
to pretend that there is something special about the KJV
bordiering on the inspired. Silly..
JD -----Original
Message----- From: Kevin Deegan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Bulk]
Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM!
For those that have no
discernment - ENJOY
"Every word of God is pure" Prov.
30:5.
The PURE Word of God????
(TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a
bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore."
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious
slut"
See if you can pick out the RIGHT
ONE:
RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath."
NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath."
NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath."
LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath."
GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath."
NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite."
KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of
Goliath." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well, He most certainly can. The message of grace
is still there (that is where God does the work and you
receive the blessings). The reconciliation of all
things is still there (that's where God does all the work
and you receive the blessings). Christ still died for all,
even if it was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is
decleared and not earned ---- God does the work and we
receive the blessings)..
Whats the problem??
JD -----Original Message----- From:
Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tue, 31 May 2005 17:26:51
-0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible
Quiz
How many others think God uses the Jehovah Witness
NWT? Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
Affirmative (I'd designate the appropriate
rant but, do not know it) Including the NWT. Yes, indeedee
doo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: May 31, 2005
10:18
Subject: [Bulk] Re:
[TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
Kenneth Taylor's Living Bible (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30:
"You son of a bitch."
NLT "stupid son of a whore."
NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
Another beauty:
TLB 1 KINGS 18:27 "Perhaps he is talking to someone
or else is out sitting on the toilet."
Then of course their is the New World
translation that is powerfully used (Worked Thru) of
God, right Lance?
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
IFF
God 'works through' the disparate characters on TT (IMO He
Does), then He most assuredly 'works through' every
translation of His Bible (I truly do mean every
translation). It's a matter of those criteria that need
be present enabling one to be superior to
another.
Do you, David, see this as analogous to God
'working through' your preaching and the
bishop's?
----- Original Message ----- From:
"David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "TruthTalk"
Sent: May 30, 2005
15:32 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] NIV Bible
Quiz
> I received this in my inbox and thought
some might like to take this test. > I think we may
have posted this some years back on TruthTalk. > David
Miller. > > ------------------- > NIV
BIBLE QUIZ > > INSTRUCTIONS: > Using the
New International Versionª Bible (NIV), > answer the
foll owing questions. Do not rely on your > memory. As
the Bible is the final authority, you must > take the
answer from the NIV Bible verse (Not from > footnotes
but from the text. Footnotes are not the
Bible.). > > 1. Fill in the missing words in
Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies, ________ > them that
curse you, _____________ to them that hate you, and pray
for them > that __________ and persecute
you." > 2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things
are required to cast out this > type of
devil? > 3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus
come to earth? > 4. According to Matthew 27:2, what
was Pilate's first name? > 5. In Matthew 27:35, when
the wicked soldiers parted His garments,
they were > fulfilling the words of the prophet.
Copy what the prophet said in Matthew > 27:35 from the
NIV. 6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to
cast > out devils and to: > 7. According to Mark
7:16, what does a man need to be able to h ear? > 8.
According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet,
carpenter, > etc.). What is his title or last
name? > 9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not
know? > 10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not
come to do? According to this > verse, what did He
come to do? > 11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles
were with Jesus? > 12. According to Luke 23:38, in
what three languages was the superscription >
written? > 13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus
to eat with His fish? > 14. John 3:13 is a very
important verse, proving the deity of Christ. >
According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son
of man? > 15. What happened each year as told in John
5:4? > 16. In John 7:50, what time of day did
Nicodemus come to Jesus? > 17. In Acts 8:37, what is
the one requirement for baptism? > 18. What did Saul
ask Jesus in Acts 9:6? > 19. Write the name of the man
mentioned in Acts 15:34. > 20. Study Acts 24:6- 8.
What would the Jew have done with Paul? What
was the > chief captain's name? What did the chief
captain command? > 21. Copy Romans 16:24 word for word
from the NIV. > 22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the
greatest verse in the New Testament > concerning the
deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in
the > flesh? > 23. In the second part of First
Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? > And, what
do we Christians do? > 24. Who are the three Persons
of the Trinity in First John 5:7? > 25. Revelation
1:11 is another very important verse that proves the
deity of > Christ. In the first part of this verse
Jesus said, "I am the A__________ > and O___________ ,
the _________ and the _______:" > > Conclusion:
Little space is provided for your answers, but it's much
more > than needed. If you followed the instructions
above, you not only failed the > test, you receive
a big goose egg. So now what do you think of your > "
ac curate, easy-to-understand, up-to-date Bible"? If these
25 questions > haven't served to show you that the NIV
is a very inferior Bible, based on a > very
inferior Greek text, write me and I'll make up another quiz
with 25 > more questions, or 250, if you wish; but you
will still flunk the text. If > you would like to
improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can
take > this test using the Authorized (King James)
Bible . > by Rex L. Cobb > > NIV Reader:
Do you have enough confidence in the NIV to... > tell
God, OUT LOUD, that the NIV is correct in deleting >
these words (64,098 words to be exact) &
phrases? > > > ---------- > "Let
your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that
you may know how you ought to answer every man."
(Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > >
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