I meant as custodians of His word.
I believe we agree on God's ability to use evil
"God can draw a Straight Line with a crooked stick"!
He has a wrench for Every nut!
Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God
> uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when
> conveying His word?
Yes, I beleive God can use whatever He chooses,
including the Pagans and Heretics. God has used the UF
Pagans several times when I was preaching to draw
crowds and ask important questions. It is certainly a
Biblical princible that God can and does use evil for
His own purpose, Balaam's situation with the donkey
being a good example. Or when Joseph's brothers sold
him into slavery. That was pretty evil, and God used
it.
I think I recall in Philippians 1, where Paul speaks
of some preaching Christ in "envy and strife." Paul
just rejoices at this: "What then? notwithstanding,
every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is
preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will
rejoice." And I think I feel the same way. I do not
like the NIV, I think it is a despicable translation,
and I let my Christian brothers and sisters know why I
prefer the KJV version. But the truth is, the NIV is a
bible, and the Holy Spirit can use it. I don't like
it, but Christ is still being preached through it and
therein do I rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
Blessings
--- Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> the Lord can and does use His word in all its
> translations
>
> Do you find that this is a Bible principle that God
> uses Heathen Pagans, Heretics especially when
> conveying His word?
>
> God has used Donkeys, in the past.
>
>
> Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> I agree, Lance, that the Lord can and does use His
> word in all its translations, including the NIV with
> its errors and sodomite commitee members. I have
> found
> that the newest generation overwhelmingly favors the
> NIV translation, and when we are out preaching, many
> college students by my side use the translation.
> These
> friends of mine have led people to Christ with the
> NIV
> Bible open in their lap. So, yes, God can and does
> use
> the errant translations.
>
> But just because the Holy Spirit is able to use any
> translation does not mean that any and every
> translation retains merit. God can use evil for
> good,
> as Joseph points out in Genesis 50.
>
> Whether or not God can use a translation doesn't
> clear
> up a translation's flaws.
>
> Blessings!
>
> (Man. Leave your e-mail unchecked for a weekend and
> the next thing you know, you've got unread e-mails
> up
> to your eye balls. :-) )
>
> --- Lance Muir wrote:
>
> > It is wise for one to remember that the Word of
> God
> > is Jesus Christ. It is also wise to remember that
> > His (God's) Words do not return void. Take care,
> > Kevin, not confuse your role with that of the
> Spirit
> > of God. I've found God to be at work EVEN THROUGH
> > THE KJV! Just imagine!
> >
> > Speaking of 'imagine': Imagine yourself able to
> see
> > every believer at once on the entire globe.
> Imagine
> > them to be lit up like a little light. Then,
> imagine
> > yourself able to see the Bible (or portion
> thereof)
> > they had with them. How many of them do you
> believe
> > are carrying the KJV? Now, don't make a smart
> > remark, please. Tell me what you make of that
> > observation.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kevin Deegan
> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > Sent: June 02, 2005 16:48
> > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
> >
> >
> > the work of Catholic scholars
> >
> > It is amazing how some can stand the facts on
> > their head.
> >
> > The UBS text used for the Moderne Bibles:
> > Jesuit cardinal Carlo Maria Martini (1927- ) is
> > the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Milan. Since
> 1967,
> > has been one of the editors of the United Bible
> > Societies Greek New Testament. His diocese in
> Europe
> > is the largest in the world, with two thousand
> > priests and five million "laity." He is Professor
> of
> > New Testament Textual Criticism at the Pontifical
> > Biblical Institute in Rome. He is also President
> of
> > the Council of European Bishop's Conferences. A
> Time
> > magazine, article reported that Martini brought
> > together a syncretistic convocation of over 100
> > religious leaders from around the world to promote
> a
> > new age, one-world religion. In addressing this
> > meeting, Mikhail Gorbachev said, "We need to
> > synthesize a new religion for thinking men that
> will
> > universalize that religion for the world and lead
> us
> > into a new age."
> > Bruce Metzger modernist and approved ROMANIST New
> > Oxford Annotated Bible RSV 1973 The first edition
> > 1962 was the first Protestant annotated edition of
> > the Bible to be approved by a Roman authority. It
> > was given an imprimatur in 1966 by Cardinal
> Cushing,
> > Archbishop of Boston, Massachusetts
> >
> > HERETICS Eugene Nida is the father of the
> > blasphemous dynamic equivalency theory of Bible
> > translation. Nida was the Executive Secretary of
> the
> > Translations Department of the United Bible
> > Societies from 1943 to 1980. As to his view of
> > biblical inspiration, Nida says, "... God's
> > revelation involved limitations. ... Biblical
> > revelation is not absolute and all divine
> revelation
> > is essentially incarnational. ... Even if a truth
> is
> > given only in words, it has no real validity until
> > it has been translated into life. ... The words
> are
> > in a sense nothing in and of themselves. ... the
> > word is void unless related to experience" (Nida,
> > Message and Mission, p. 222-228).
> >
> > Kurt Aland "This idea of verbal inspiration (i.e.,
> > of the literal and inerrant inspiration of the
> > text), which the orthodoxy of both Protestant
> > traditions maintained so vigorously, was applied
> to
> > the Textus Receptus with all of its errors,
> > including textual modifications of an obviously
> > secondary character (as we recognize them today)"
> > (Aland, The Problem of the New Testament Canon,
> > 1962, pp. 6,7).
> >
> >
> > BEWARE of these new versions!
> >
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Normally when a host of scholars and translation
> > committees using the most recent manuscript
> > discoveries all agree against a publication that
> is
> > nearly 300 aol years old and the work of Catholic
> > scholars (save the one lone Evangleical, King
> > James), common wisdom would allow for the "new"
> > translation. To use the KJV to condemn all the
> > others is to pretend that there is something
> special
> > about the KJV bordiering on the inspired. Silly..
> >
> > JD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Deegan
> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
> > Sent: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 05:53:27 -0700 (PDT)
> > Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible
> > Quiz
> >
> >
> > A little poison along the way is NO PROBLEM!
> >
> > For those that have no discernment - ENJOY
> > "Every word of God is pure" Prov. 30:5.
> > The PURE Word of God????
> > (TLB) 1 Samuel 20:30: "You son of a bitch."
> > NLT "stupid son of a whore."
> > NJB and MSG "son of a rebellious slut"
> >
> > See if you can pick out the RIGHT ONE:
> > RV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
> > ASV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
> > RSV: "Elhanan...slew Goliath the Gittite."
> > NWT: "Elhanan...got to strike down Goliath."
> > NASV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath."
> > NEB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath of Gath."
> > LB: "Elhanan...killed the brother of Goliath."
> > GNB: "Elhanan...killed Goliath from Gath."
> > NIV: "Elhanan...killed Goliath the Gittite."
> > KJV: "Elhanan...slew the brother of Goliath."
> >
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Well, He most certainly can. The message of
> > grace is still there (that is where God does the
> > work and you receive the blessings). The
> > reconciliation of all things is still there
> (that's
> > where God does all the work and you receive the
> > blessings). Christ still died for all, even if it
> > was on a stick (that is where forgiveness is
>
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