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DAVEH:   Thanx for your explanation, John.  Do you believe we have prophets in the church today as well?   
 
Certainly but they are not in the church for the purpose of giving new revelation  ("scripture" if you will).  They have enough to do, I suppose, as they function in consequence of such passages as Eph 4:11-16.   I do know that the prophets that speak in our church (my wife and I) speak to the purposes implicit with a  "ministry of reconciliation." 
DAVEH:   Please clarify.....are you and your wife the prophets to whom you are referring?
 
As important as Paul is, he is not one of the 12.   The Chruch of Jesus Christ was founded on the work and mission of the original 12 and their names appear on the 12 foundation stones in The City from Heaven for that very reason.   I do not confuse Paul and Barnabas with the 12.  That they share in this foundational ministry is undeniable, however.   This foundational ministry has been accomplished !!  The church, in all it's imperfectons, is 2000 years old.   The extended ministry is not one of a foundational nature but one of reconciliation  -  to which we have all been called (II Cor 5:18). 
 
DAVEH:   ???   Are you suggesting Judas was more important as an apostle than Paul?  Is Judas' name engraved on the foundation, and there is no room for subsequent others?
 
No  -  Judas lost himself to the cause of Christ.   His ministry was assigned a replacement (Acts 1).   He did not received the Great Commission given to the others.   He is of no consequence when it comes to the foundational work of the 12.
DAVEH:  Then who is the 12th apostle whose name you say is engraven in the foundation?  Or....did you just misspeak when you said 12, and meant 11 instead?
 
 
Judas did not live long  enough  to receive the Commission of the Twelve nor the victory that rose up from his own betrayal.................................of course. 
 
DAVEH:   So....would his name be engraved with the other eleven?  I do not think so. 

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