Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:04:19 -0700

 You can spend all of your time in worldliness and carnality  Jt describes Lance Muir.
 
This is where you go over the line.   If I were to say this of you,  you would be pitching a fit.   If this were said of David,  he would go off on one of his ad hom trips, kinda like someone on Vicodin.  A terrible thing to say.  
 
JD
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:12:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

Ohhhhhhhhhh Judy, you poor dear. Are ya runnin' outa prooftexts to make your point 'weaker'?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: July 22, 2005 15:43
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:John 16:13,14

So Mr. Answer Man - I know you have it all sewed up with your "incarnational" doctrine and all, noone
has to sweat it - not anyone, least of all you.  You can spend all of your time in worldliness and carnality
and when you hear the trumpet and  it's time of the Marriage Supper just barge in  holding on to your
doctrine. Matters not whether or not you are wearing the right garment.  Just tell them TFT said....
 
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:28:27 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
How 'bout the children/hell thingy? Speculation of the first order!
Lance why don't you check the scriptures first before running off at the mouth and labelling everything and
everyone who dosent' align themself with the heresy you endorse?  Do you know what Paul said about marriage
between believer and non-believer in the NT and their children?
 
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 14:02:04 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Wow! What a load of....well...speculation in that second paragraph. May we be blessed with OT & NT
scriptures which explicitly teach what you just 'taught'?
Yes, I do believe we all come into this world with an "inheritance" in and a natural "propensity" toward sin which is why it
is our responsibility not to waste any time in training our children in the ways of God - it's not long before their rebellious
little sin natures would take the place if they are not restrained and retrained.
 
ATST I don't believe that all babies automatically go to hell because God is merciful and He is a God of covenant which is what Paul takes into consideration when he speaks of believer md to unbeliever and so long as they remain together their children are "holy" (because of the godly influence in that home). I don't think we completely understand these issues of sin and righteousness - like we should.  jt
 
Judy, it seems that you believe that being born with a fleshly human nature is what defiles us.  I believe it does not: it simply gives us the Propensity to sin.  We are not defiled unless/until we actually sin.  (Which Jesus obviously did not do.) That is why it does not bother DM or me to believe that Jesus was born with a human-prone-to-sin-in-all-ways-that-we-are nature, which He overcame to show us that we can also if we walk in the Spirit as He did. 
 
You seem to see us as born already defiled.  You seem to believe that a pre-born or newborn baby that dies would go to hell.  I don?t think we are defiled/unclean when we are born.  I think that is the critical difference between our thinking on this.  Do you? Izzy
 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
You are the one who adds "in all respects" JD - I don't see this in scripture.
What I see is "likeness" which I read as physical likeness. IOW he had a body like ours.
There is a moral dimension to flesh - it is not body image only
When Job says "who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean" (Job 14:4)
he is speaking of this moral dimension or moral cleanness and purity.
This is the difference between us in the flesh and Christ's humanity.  He has always been clean and pure
As a race we never have been and this is what put him on the cross.
 
 
 

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