Re: [TruthTalk] Spiritual death

[Judy Taylor]

There is scripture JD, Izzy may not have had time right now to find it.

Jesus spells it out for us in John 3:31:

 

"He who comes from above is above all; he wo is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth.

He who comes from heaven is above all"

 

So there you go .. If you are not born again of the Spirit you are earthly - a "natural man".

 

 

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:44:21 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So, no scripture.  Thanks for the admission.   Outer space?     John 3:21  He who does the truth COMES TO THE LIGHT, that his deeds might be clearly seen,  that they have been done in God." 

 

In the above,  "He who does the truth"  is complimented by  "...they have been done in God."  We are ALREADY indwelt with the Spirit.   That is part of the reconciliation of all things.   Our acceptance of Christ,  our receiving of this gift is our turning to the LIGHT (repentance).   When we do that, it becomes  manifestly clear that God has been there all along.   This verse makes it clear that we are doing the truth BEFORE we come to the light and that this LIGHT reveals that all our works HAVE BEEN DONE in God. 

 

 JD

 
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"from below" is the alternative to "from above"--physical birth on earth.  Your last sentence is from outer space.  iz

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And where is this "born from below" in the text,  or does this matter to you?  

 

The "birth from above"  or "new birth"  brings the manifestation of Christ into our lives.   And what does this manifestation accomplish  --   it reveals that God has been our partner all along !!  (John 3:21).

 

JD

 

 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Footnotes in the New King James and NASV show born "from above" to be a viable translation and my Brown/Comfort Greek interlinear English translation actually uses "born from above" rather than "born again." 

 

JD

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 Terry wrote:  Born again is correct. 

 

Izzy responds: If you were born "from below" the first time, and "born from above" the second time, wasn't the second time born "again"?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                              judyt
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord,
               are changed into the same image from glory to glory,
               even as by the Spirit of the Lord. (2 Corinthians 3:18)