Re: [TruthTalk] Salvation from Judgment

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Let me know what you think after you have actually read the post, examined the scriptures, and carefully  considered the exegetical/contextual arguments.   Knee jerk one-liner responses probably will never work as a rebuttal to the kind of discussion below.  

 

Explain to me why I am wrong in the several points made below

 

JD

 

 
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Oh, yeah, this all supports that scripture that says, ?Once you?ve decided to believe that Jesus is your savior you can do whatever you darn well please and God will ignore it.? izzy

 

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1.   Heb 2:2-3 present to the reader of  long ago, the certainty of an accounting of our transgressions and disobedience and the occurring "just reward"  (death  !!!).   When Paul  (?) gives admonition against neglecting "so great a salvation,"   he is encouraging the reader to pursue that which will avoid the accounting of our transgressions and disobedience.   "Salvation" prevents judgment. 

 

2.   Col 1:22 gives us the purpose of reconciliation:   "to present you holy, blameless and above reproach in His sight."   The biblical word  (a Greek word  [of course}  translated "blameless" in this passage means "ethically, faultless,  unblamable."   In the LXX, it is the used of a perfect sacrifice and carries with it the sense of "the absence of anything amiss."   In this word, alone,  we are above or without judgmen t because IN HIS SIGHT we are found to be "without anything amiss."   This is something that happens immediately and perpetually.   The conditional phrase  in v 23 is not a condition of doubt or of the possibility of failure.  Rather, it continues the positive statement of verse 22&nb sp; --  we are holy, blameless and above reproach as we continue in the faith [of Christ], not moving away from the hope offered in that faith. 

 

If we read this otherwise, we have this rather unusual reading  :   He (Christ) presents you holy, blameless and above reproach so long as you are holy, blameless and above reproach.   This is how the passage (verses 22,23) reads if translated by a works salvationist.  

 

3.   Romans 3:24   "being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus."

 

      Romans 3:28  "Therefore we concluded that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of

          the law. "   

 

      In the reading of these two passages, we have the fact of our salvation  -   a salvation based upon the redemptive act of Christ Jesus and justification by faith, therefore, apart from obedience (and disobedience, I might add ) to the law.   Our salvation is already a reality and is based on nothing that we have done of our own effort. How could it be otherwise in view of the fact that our salvation occurs in this life!!!!!      Either Christ secured our salvation in the redemptive act and apart from any consideration of the application of law, or He did not.  And if we are saved in this life,  it must be a salvation apart from the deeds of the law.   If it is now, immediate and  secure, it cannot involve the coniseration of a law whatsoever  !!!!!!!!!!!!!    In other words  --   I am saved BEFORE I g o to court!!

 

Lest we forget,   Romans 3:10-18 finds Paul making the point that "there is none who is righteous," that we are all guilty  (3:19) if judged by law  (that is what "guilty" means, is it not  --   that we have been found guilty in the sight of the law?).   To be judged by the law is to be found guilty  !!   Shall we neglect a salvation that delivers us from this circumstance?  

 

 

Romans 10:4   "For Christ is the end of the law for [purposes]  righteousness to everyone who believes.

  and Romans 10:11  "whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."  

 

4>  Gal.  3:35  "But after faith has come, we are no longer under law  [a tutor]." 

 

          No law  --  no judgment   !!!! 

 

 

5.   Jere 31:34  Under this new covenat  -   a covenant entirely different from the Mosaical Law, 

           God gives this promise   "...........   I will forgive their iniquity and their sin I will remember

           no more."  

 

 

Conclusion  ------------   those in Christ are not judged except as being in Christ.   Those who follow not Christ are judged already  (you supply the scripture.)

 

 

JD