Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:49:15 -0700

 
Yes.   My youngest daughter has experienced two attacks diagnosed as "brief psychotic episode."   We had a few within our church who thought this to be a demonic possession.   I would not allow them within 15 miles of my daughter.    In this particular case, their bias could have been extremely damaging to my daughter.   I have not been as frightened for one of my kids as I was for Nancy.   She was raised by her mother, a devout legalist who charted Nancy's every move and kept her away from sinful influences as much as possible  ( no TV this, no reading that, obedience and will worship a daily theme.)
It nearly destroyed my girl.  
 
Sometimes the worst demon is our religion. 
 
JD
 
 
 
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From: Debbie Sawczak <debbie@kest.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:49:49 -0400
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

I am thinking that a one-to-one association between demonic activity and conditions affecting certain parts of the brain is a mistake.
 
Where these conditions can be adequately explained by observable physical imbalances, malfunctions, damage, or whatever, why would one ascribe them, as a category, to demons? I have no doubt that such physical dysfunction or damage can be initiated by demons, but must it be in every case of the disorder, or even in most cases? That is, if some cases of schizophrenia are actually demonic possession or oppression, must that be typical? Demons can probably cause eczema and bowel cancer too. As for healings, God can heal any condition miraculously, but his doing so (no matter the words of the prayer) is not in itself evidence that the condition was caused by demons, even though the healing has spiritual significance.
 
I think we should not be in haste to chalk stuff up to demons, nor to conclude that a mentally ill person has been spiritually weak or negligent, has been giving footholds to the devil, or needs to repent. It becomes a way of blaming the individual or casting aspersions on her spiritual integrity.
 
It is also a way of denying that we are intrinsically physical beings. Though not reducible to chemicals and tissue, let's face it, if the chemicals or tissue are messed up, we are disabled to just that extent, whether it is colour blindness or PMS, diabetes or dementia, arthritis or bipolar disorder. Disability limits the choices open to us. What exactly is the extent to which it does so in each case? We don't know. Not knowing, we believe the best of people.
 
Debbie
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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us

It would be impossible for anyone with Alzheimer?s or severe dementia to do anything like acknowledge responsibility or repent.  One of our pastors is a youngish (mid 40?s?) man who has Parkinson?s.  It doesn?t affect one mentally.  izzy
 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 7:59 AM
To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: [TruthTalk] Adam - sin - and the rest of us
 

At Pleasant Valley they are successful when they find the spiritual root or the
reason for the curse to be there - followed by the victim acknowleding, taking
responsibility, and repenting before the Lord.  Deliverance and freedom are
then easy and for something like Alzheimers they would pray for a creative
miracle to restore brain tissue.  I don't know that they pray for these as yet
though because when I was there they were still doing research on Parkinson's,
Alzheimers etc.  A cousin of my husband just died from a stem cell disorder
which is a lot like these two and is called Supra Nuclear Palsy - have you
heard of it Izzy?
 

From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Izzy wrote:
> Would you expect such success in casting out
> demons in cases of Alzheimer's, where there is
> atrophied brain tissue?
 
I've never thought of Alzheimer's being caused by evil spirits.  In
Alzheimer's there is definite organic destruction of brain tissue.  I
suppose it could be caused by an evil spirit.  I've just never thought of it
that way.  I've looked at it as an aging process gone awry, and would
categorize it more with stroke victims than bipolar / schizophrenia.
Obviously, my faith might tend to fall short in this scenario due to my lack
of knowledge.  I would approach this more as a healing situation than a need
for deliverance, but I'm teachable if this is not the case.
 
Peace be with you.
David Miller.
 
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