I see do as you say not as you do.
There is a word for that.
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You apparently care how God accomplished the virgin birth of Christ -- so how did he do it , deegan? Were there organic differences between Christ and ourselves? Was Mary only the "oven" for baby Jesus -- then why the lineage statements?Please answer the question and do not avoid by steering away from it.JD
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From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Please answer the question and do not avoid by steering away from it.Why did the LDS god come into the world, to do what with Mary?Any reasonable person knows what these words mean. There is only one reasonable answer.That is why you avoid the reasonable conclusion and just like DH offer no other reasonable alternative:'' l believe the Father came down from heaven, as the Apostles said he did, and begat the Savior of the World; for He is the Only Begotten of the Father which could not have been if the Father did not actually beget him in person''. (Young Journal of Discourses Vol. 1 page 238)''When the time came that His first-born, the Savior, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Savior was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the organic difference between Jesus Christ and you and me.'' (Journal of Discourses Vol. 4 page 218)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You apparently care how God accomplished the virgin birth of Christ -- so how did he do it , deegan? Were there organic differences between Christ and ourselves? Was Mary only the "oven" for baby Jesus -- then why the lineage statements?Jd
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From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 05:22:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:The HEART of the matter
Why did the father have to come into the world and what was it he did?''When the time came that His first-born, the Savior, should come into the world and take a tabernacle, the Father came Himself and favoured that spirit with a tabernacle instead of letting any other man do it. The Savior was begotten by the Father of His spirit, by the same Being who is the Father of our spirits, and that is all the organic difference between Jesus Christ and you and me.'' (Journal of Discourses Vol. 4 page 218)Do words mean anything ro Mormons?
Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:cd; What do you mean(though not necessarily sexual)?
DAVEH: What I meant is that I do not know specifically how it was accomplished other than by the power of the HG, but I do think it can be accomplished via means that are not sexual in the physical sense that you are insisting it be. For instance, today artificial insemination is a very common and popular method of impregnating cattle that have never been in physical contact. As I see it, if cattle can reproduce in a natural fashion (in other words.....not needing miraculous, supernatural or black magic activity) without physically sexual contact, I don't know why you think the Lord could not do what needed to be done to alter Mary's genetic code (I know that is a bit too simplified..... or whatever needed doing to allow her to conceive as a virgin) without having a sexual experience with her.
This is very simple, Dean, and I don't know why you cannot understand what I am telling you. FTR once again: I do not believe God had physical sex with Mary. Nor does LDS theology teach such.
Dean Moore wrote:cd; What do you mean(though not necessarily sexual)? According to the English language it means that it could or could not be sexual.Now we have it as (1)Natural conception,(2) Genetic conception,(3)back to natural as Mary isn't a virgin,(4)May or may not be "necessary sexual".Full of crap!
(though not necessarily sexual) whereby
> >the genetic makeup of our Heavenly Father was combined with Mary's
genetic
> >makeup to bring forth a child in as natural a fashion as science now
> >teaches.
> >
> LDS theology teaches that Mary was a virgin.
> >
> > > >considering how LDS folks think or believe.
> >
> > Probably the most extremely opinionated person quoted was Orson
Pratt
> >in The Seer, which was a highly speculative book based on OP's opinions.
> >Despite being an LDS leader, his opinions are no substitute for official > >doctrine, which is found in the Standard Works .-- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.__________________________________________________
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