cd: I think you are right on target and I also used David as an example-Great minds think alike:-)
> [Original Message] > From: Christine Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > Date: 11/6/2005 1:13:28 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer? > > I was reading 1 Corinthians 7, not particularly > thinking of this topic, but I read this about > circumcision: > > 1 Cor. 7:18 - Is any man called being circumcised? let > him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in > uncircumcision? Let him not be circumcised. > > And then verse 19 says how circumsision is nothing, > and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the > commandments. I was wondering: does this verse apply > to this situation at all? If the two were unsaved when > they were divorced and then remarried, and then get > saved while in this second relationship, it doesn't > sound right to divorce again, just as someone > circumsised should not be uncircumsised after coming > to Christ. Why not accept forgiveness and begin to > walk afresh? > > And I have a question: does King David's example apply > to this situation? Or was that different? > > What do you all think? This is a difficult issue. > > > Blessings! > > --- Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As I see it, there can be no forgivness without > > turning from the sin > > that needs to be forgiven. That means that they > > cannot stay in that > > relationship and have a relationship with the Lord. > > The normal > > reaction here is to say "Consider the others that > > will be hurt," and > > there is nothing wrong with considering the feelings > > of others, but > > Jesus says you have to love Him so much, that by > > comparison, the love > > you have for spouse and children and self seems so > > inferior to your love > > for Christ that love for family seems more like > > hate. Christ is the > > Alpha and Omega, beginning to end, start to finish. > > What He wants comes > > first. Self and family come second. If He wants > > you to turn from your > > adultery, then you turn from your adultery, no > > matter what the cost. > > > > By now, someone is saying, "I know God better than > > that! He is love'. > > All I can tell those folks is to read Ezra 10:10 to > > the end of the > > chapter. You will see a story of men who had also > > married women that > > they should not have married, and how they corrected > > the situation. > > > > Even when it is painful, God does not comprmise > > with the Devil. > > Terry > > > ============================================================= > > > > ShieldsFamily wrote: > > > > > Other than sackcloth and ashes, what form should > > their repentance > > > take? They have never apologized to their > > ex-spouses for destroying > > > their families, and still speak evil of them at > > every opportunity. It > > > seems like a hopeless situation, but surely God > > could help them > > > repent. If they did truly repent, would God call > > them to separate? > > > There are indeed so many couples in the church > > today that remain in > > > marriages that are, in fact, adulteries. But if > > they truly repent > > > must they also be single the rest of their lives? > > And what about > > > anyone who ever had sexual relations prior to > > their current marriage? > > > And, as DM said, Torah forbids reuniting with an > > "unclean" spouse. > > > It's a difficult situation. iz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On > > Behalf Of *Terry Clifton > > > *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:23 AM > > > *To:* TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > > *Subject:* Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you > > offer? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mornin' Iz. As I see it, these two are lying to > > themselves. To repent > > > means to turn and go in another direction. When > > Jesus, Peter, Paul, > > > John and others called sinners to repentance, they > > were calling for a > > > 180 turn, from sin, to Christ. From living for > > self, to living for > > > Him. These people, if they still have sexual > > relations, are still in > > > adultery and still in their sins, still living for > > self. There is no > > > forgivness that allows continual living in > > rebellion to God's > > > commands. My advice would be for them to get out > > the sack cloth and > > > ashes. > > > > > > You will not hear this much from the pulpit these > > days. The pastor > > > who preaches this will be gone and the adulterers > > will still be a > > > substantial part of the congregation. > > > Terry > > > > > > ============================================================ > > > > > > ShieldsFamily wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, add to Terry's original scenario the fact > > that the couple that > > > realized that they were living in adultery had > > actually been > > > "Christians" prior to their adultery with each > > other. They then each > > > divorced their spouses because they were "in > > love". They now have a > > > child between them, as well as their children from > > their previous > > > marriages. But now they claim that they have > > repented and are > > > forgiven. What is your advice to them? izzy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > <mailto:TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > > Sent: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:08:55 -0600 > > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you > > offer? > > > > > > Both you and JD seem to think that these two > > should stay in their > > > adulterous relationship. I want to say the same > > thing, for the > > > benefit of the children if for no other reason. > > Fact is though, that > > > I cannot reconcile that line of reasoning with > > God's word. > > > > > > John, the baptizer lost his head for condemning > > the same situation > > > between Herod and Herodious. If it is wrong for > > Mr. and Mrs. Herod, > > > it is wrong for Mr. and Mrs. Verage. When John > > said," You cannot have > > > her", the message is that God will not approve of > > people living in > > > adultery. I can find no exception in the new > > testament. Could either > > > of you do more to justify your position? I would > > also like to hear > > > the thinking of Bill and David M. on this. > > > Terry > > > > > > > > > > > > Dean Moore wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >>[Original Message] > > >> > > >>From: Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > <javascript:parent.ComposeTo('[EMAIL PROTECTED]');> > > >> > > >>To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > > > <javascript:parent.ComposeTo('TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org');> > > >> > > >>Date: 11/5/2005 8:47:47 AM > > >> > > >>Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you > > offer? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>cd: Tell me more about this adulterous > > relationship? Thanks. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >cd: I understand now-I had read the letter as the > > young ones are in the > > > > > >adulterous relationship. I am going to step out on > > a limb and say let a > > > > > >person remain in the state in which they were > > called and hope I am not > > > > > >going beyond Paul's teachings.If you are called > > married stay married. The > > > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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